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« on: July 09, 2004, 11:25:40 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2004, 08:43:15 AM »
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Arizona fires threaten Ice Age-survivors
TUCSON, Arizona (AP) -- The littlest potential victim of two wildfires on Arizona's Mount Graham could be an endangered type of red squirrel that has been living on the peak since the Ice Age.
The world's only colony of Mount Graham red squirrels -- numbering fewer than 300 -- has been threatened in recent days by flames lapping toward the animals' spruce and fir forest near the 3,210-meter (10,700-foot) summit.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2004, 09:15:27 AM »
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Let's get down to it -- surface temps and atmospheric temps haven't converged on a definitive answer about "global warming."
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http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/Articl...00/surface1.htm
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2004, 08:32:45 PM »
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We should merge these two threads. Peter would you do it? I don't seem to have teh authorization.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2004, 07:34:19 PM »
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The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../ixnewstop.html
By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
(Filed: 18/07/2004)
Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.
A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.
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Editorial Comments: And this comes from a freaking European newspaper!!!! Will anyone on the left pay attention to it? Of course not...because it doesn't fit their controlling world view.
This tidbit of information was indicated in Lomborg's The Skeptical Environmentalist...so it really isn't new.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2004, 10:27:21 AM »
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Well FANCY THAT!
You mean the SUN is the cause of Global Warming? How can this be?
After all we've been told of the irreperable harm we're doing to the Earth by our constant burning of "Fossil" fuels, it's suddenly been discovered that the SUN is the real culrpit?
What does this do to the Big Oil Companies? Will it take them off the DemoNazi's list of "evil corporations? Nah, they make for to easy a target.
It's far more likely the WackoLeftWingRadicals wil try to pass some kind of legislation regulating the sun like dolling it out in small measure so we won't overheat. Or maybe some kind of giant "Space Umbrella" to shade Earth from it's harmful effects?
It's a pretty safe bet nothing will be said of this in the Elite Media.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2004, 06:55:02 PM »
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Coldest summer in 11 years
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/ar...ticle833868.ece
It's official: Oslo residents are shivering their way through the coldest summer in 11 years. A bit of sunshine this week gave way Thursday to more rain and chill, while northern Norway has had record warm temperatures.
Tourists and locals alike have sloshed their way through a cold and wet summer in Oslo this year.
Climate researchers have now determined that average temperatures in Oslo of around 14C (58F) between June 15 and July 19 make this the coldest summer the capital has experienced since 1993.
Beaches have been deserted, marinas full and outdoor restaurants less than popular this summer. Many locals have never dragged out their summer clothes or used swimsuits this year, and the days are already getting shorter: There's nearly two hours less daylight now than there was at the time of the summer solstice in June (which also was rained out).
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2004, 09:18:02 AM »
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Well, the econuts and their Democrat allies (with no few RINOS) are again doing an end-run on democracy...using the courts to make public policy. I think this demonstrates that "states rights" aren't necessarily a good defense against stupidity...we must take back these political institutions, at all levels.
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NYC, 8 states sue to curb carbon dioxide
By MARK JOHNSON
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ALBANY, N.Y. -- Attorneys general from eight states and New York City are stepping into the debate over global climate change, vowing to force the nation's largest power companies to cut their carbon dioxide emissions.
Officials from California, Connecticut, Iowa, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin, along with New York City's corporation counsel, were to file a public nuisance lawsuit Wednesday in federal district court in Manhattan.
They are trying to pressure five power producers - American Electric Power Co., Southern Co., Xcel Energy Inc., Cinergy Corp. and the federal Tennessee Valley Authority - to clean up their emissions and help curb global warming.
The states that are suing claim those power producers own 174 fossil fuel-burning power plants that produce 646 million tons of carbon dioxide annually - about 10 percent of the nation's total.
The attorneys general claim greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide could have catastrophic effects, including increased asthma and heat-related illness, depletion of drinking water supplies, a decline in fisheries and erosion of infrastructure.
Marc Violette, a spokesman for New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, declined to comment Tuesday on details but said the lawsuit would, "for the first time, put global warming on the litigation map."
"This is a precedent-setting, first-of-its-kind lawsuit," he said.
Scott Segal, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Electric Reliability Coordinating Council, a group that includes Atlanta-based Southern, criticized the lawsuit for trying to hold individual companies responsible for global climate change.
"If you gave the facts of global climate change to a first-year law student, and they recommended a public nuisance case, they would get an `F,'" Segal said. "The idea that any one company's emissions are responsible for global climate change is more political science than environmental science."
Jeffrey Marks, with the National Association of Manufacturers, which represents AEP, Southern and Cincinnati-based Cinergy, said regulating carbon dioxide emissions would severely depress the U.S. economy, limit the use of fossil fuels, and hinder environmental improvements.
Pat Hemlepp, a spokesman for Columbus, Ohio-based AEP, agreed, saying, "A lawsuit is not a constructive way to deal with climate change. There is nothing one company, five companies, or one country can do to resolve global warming. It will require a global commitment including developing nations."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer/ap.a...sions%20Lawsuit
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2004, 06:11:41 PM »
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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-frie...RTICLE_ID=39577
And now, they've "racialized" global warming! Man, white folks sure have a lot of 'splainin' to do. How pathetic.
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New study claims blacks at greater risk, but less responsible for climate change
July 22, 2004
By Joe Kovacs
A new study released by the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation suggests rising temperatures will kill more black citizens than whites in the U.S., while claiming African-Americans are less responsible than others for causing so-called "global warming."
The research, conducted by the Oakland, Calif.-based group Redefining Progress, is being billed as the first-ever comprehensive examination of the health and economic impact of climate change on the black population.
"We are long past the point where global warming is considered a myth," said U.S. Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., chairman of the CBCF. "We are seeing its effects all around us."
The new report for the CBCF has three main findings:
America's black population will be disproportionately burdened by the health effects of global warming;
Blacks are less responsible for contributing to global warming than other Americans; and
Policies designed to mitigate global warming can generate large health and economic benefits for blacks, depending on their implementation.
"Time and again, the world's leading atmospheric scientists have warned us about the devastating impact of climate change," said Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas. "We now have irrefutable proof of its impact on our economy, our way of life, our health and our children."
The study alleges responsibility for the problem does not lie primarily with blacks, stating, "African-American households emit 20 percent less carbon dioxide than white households. Historically, this difference was even higher."
It claims more than 160,000 deaths annually can already be attributed to climate change across the world, and that figure is likely to increase unless action is taken to try to stop any further heat-up.
More than 70 percent of blacks live in urban areas which are in violation of federal air pollution standards, according to the report. Thus, more blacks than whites would likely be affected by higher concentrations of toxins in the air.
"African-Americans are nearly three times as likely to be hospitalized or killed by asthma as whites, with climate change expected to increase the incidence of asthma in the general population," the study says.
The research also says at the present time, blacks are more likely to die during extreme heat events.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2004, 07:58:55 AM »
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Looks like the EU is going to "do" Kyoto on its own. Good, just like we confined the communist experiment to a few countries, this will limit the damage and prove just how stupid Kyoto really is. Oh, those wonderfully stupid Euros!
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The European Commission's Emissions
By Carlo Stagnaro Published 07/26/2004
Anyone concerned about the future of freedom and wealth in Europe should worry anytime Environment Commissioner Margot Wallström opens her mouth.
On Wednesday 7 July, the European Commission approved five national plans for trading emissions for energy-intensive industrial plants. Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands, Slovenia, and Sweden can now enjoy the not-so-enviable status of the most advanced countries heading towards economic suicide. Plans are in the works for Austria, Great Britain and Germany to join them.
"The decision," said Wallström, "shows that we are serious about our climate change policy and that we can start the emission trading the first of January next year, as planned."
What this means is that 2005 might be the year when energy production, consumption, and distribution in Europe are put under a sort of soft socialism, with all the important decisions made by the Commission. The institution's outgoing president, Romano Prodi, is well aware of this. In fact, in a presentation at the San Rossore International Meeting on Global Warming in Italy, he went so far as to threaten the US and Russia, suggesting that if they don't ratify the Kyoto Protocol, there would be consequences. He didn't elaborate, perhaps realizing that little can be done to force US and Russia to implement a climate policy which is contrary to their national interests - and the EU has no right to force them in any case. Prodi blamed "a lack of political will and the division between the industrialized countries" for the failure of consensus on Kyoto.
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http://www.techcentralstation.com/072604A.html
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2004, 10:48:30 PM »
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The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame
By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
(Filed: 18/07/2004)
Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.
A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.
Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.
"The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years."
Dr Solanki said that the brighter Sun and higher levels of "greenhouse gases", such as carbon dioxide, both contributed to the change in the Earth's temperature but it was impossible to say which had the greater impact.
Average global temperatures have increased by about 0.2 deg Celsius over the past 20 years and are widely believed to be responsible for new extremes in weather patterns. After pressure from environmentalists, politicians agreed the Kyoto Protocol in 1997, promising to limit greenhouse gas emissions between 2008 and 2012. Britain ratified the protocol in 2002 and said it would cut emissions by 12.5 per cent from 1990 levels.
Globally, 1997, 1998 and 2002 were the hottest years since worldwide weather records were first collated in 1860.
Most scientists agree that greenhouse gases from fossil fuels have contributed to the warming of the planet in the past few decades but have questioned whether a brighter Sun is also responsible for rising temperatures.
To determine the Sun's role in global warming, Dr Solanki's research team measured magnetic zones on the Sun's surface known as sunspots, which are believed to intensify the Sun's energy output.
The team studied sunspot data going back several hundred years. They found that a dearth of sunspots signalled a cold period - which could last up to 50 years - but that over the past century their numbers had increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily warmer. The scientists also compared data from ice samples collected during an expedition to Greenland in 1991. The most recent samples contained the lowest recorded levels of beryllium 10 for more than 1,000 years. Beryllium 10 is a particle created by cosmic rays that decreases in the Earth's atmosphere as the magnetic energy from the Sun increases. Scientists can currently trace beryllium 10 levels back 1,150 years.
Dr Solanki does not know what is causing the Sun to burn brighter now or how long this cycle would last.
He says that the increased solar brightness over the past 20 years has not been enough to cause the observed climate changes but believes that the impact of more intense sunshine on the ozone layer and on cloud cover could be affecting the climate more than the sunlight itself.
Dr Bill Burrows, a climatologist and a member of the Royal Meteorological Society, welcomed Dr Solanki's research. "While the established view remains that the sun cannot be responsible for all the climate changes we have seen in the past 50 years or so, this study is certainly significant," he said.
"It shows that there is enough happening on the solar front to merit further research. Perhaps we are devoting too many resources to correcting human effects on the climate without being sure that we are the major contributor."
Dr David Viner, the senior research scientist at the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit, said the research showed that the sun did have an effect on global warming.
He added, however, that the study also showed that over the past 20 years the number of sunspots had remained roughly constant, while the Earth's temperature had continued to increase.
This suggested that over the past 20 years, human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation had begun to dominate "the natural factors involved in climate change", he said.
Dr Gareth Jones, a climate researcher at the Met Office, said that Dr Solanki's findings were inconclusive because the study had not incorporated other potential climate change factors.
"The Sun's radiance may well have an impact on climate change but it needs to be looked at in conjunction with other factors such as greenhouse gases, sulphate aerosols and volcano activity," he said. The research adds weight to the views of David Bellamy, the conservationist. "Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth," he said. "I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.
"Instead, they have an unshakeable faith in what has, unfortunately, become one of the central credos of the environmental movement: humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to heat up. They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...7/18/wsun18.xml
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2004, 04:55:37 PM »
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Global warming challenged
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/0...3H28_news.shtml
Two UR studies fault computer models used to determine threat.
By Matthew Daneman (August 2, 2004) — Global warming is hot.
It starred in the recent Hollywood disaster flick The Day After Tomorrow. The nation's largest state, California, now has a proposal to cut carbon dioxide given off by cars and trucks 30 percent over the next decade. Canada, likewise, is looking at higher fuel efficiency standards to cut down on such greenhouse gases given off by cars.
But a pair of papers by a University of Rochester scientist in the July 9 issue of Geophysical Research Letters hammers at shortcomings in the computer models and temperature readings that scientists have been using to predict how carbon dioxide will affect the Earth's temperature.
“The old rule is garbage in, garbage out,” said David H. Douglass, a professor of physics and astronomy. “I don't know what's wrong (with the models), but it must be that the basic physics has not been put in properly.”
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2004, 09:01:20 AM »
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And the evidence keeps accumulating -- there is no "settled science" on global warming.
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Settling Global Warming Science
By Patrick J. Michaels, S. Fred Singer and David H. Douglass Published 08/12/2004
TechCentral Station
How many times have we heard from Al Gore and assorted European politicians that "the science is settled" on global warming? In other words, it's "time for action." Climate change is, as recently stated by Hans Blix, former U.N. Chief for weapons detection in Iraq, the most important issue of our time, far more dangerous than people flying fuel-laden aircraft into skyscrapers or threatening to detonate backpack nukes in Baltimore Harbor.
Well, the science may now be settled, but not in the way Gore and Blix would have us believe. Three bombshell papers have just hit the refereed literature that knock the stuffing out of Blix's position and that the United Nations and its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2004, 05:54:28 PM »
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This is a great TechCentralStation article that postulates that, like an all-emcompassing religion that takes any 'abnormality' as a 'sign' or 'omen', extreme weather conditions are being used as 'proof' of global warming. There is no logic, of course...only the faith that humans have somehow upset the balance.
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Global Warming as Secular Faith
By Dominic Standish Published 08/30/2004
Tourists and locals alike in southern Italy have been plagued by swarms of locusts this summer. There have been many biblical comparisons to Old Testament plagues. That the town of Matera has been overrun by the locusts has undoubtedly contributed to such comparisons. Matera was the outdoor setting for the filming of Mel Gibson's film The Passion of the Christ because it strongly resembles images of the Holy Land.
Global warming has been put under the spotlight as the principal cause of the locust swarms. Last summer's heat is said to have dried out grain fields, providing the locusts with ideal conditions to lay eggs. Meanwhile, this year's rains have increased breeding by traveling locusts. It seems that both hot and cold weather can be attributed to global warming.
The locusts in southern Italy are only the latest example of how extreme weather is constantly being linked to global warming. I was in the US two weeks ago as global warming was being widely blamed for the havoc caused by Hurricane Charley. Similarly, alarmist reactions followed the dramatic flooding of the Cornwall village of Boscastle in the UK. While the swarms of locusts have been terrible for southern Italians, they cannot be compared to the problems caused by recent plagues in West Africa. Global warming has also been linked to extreme weather in Australia and China during August.
But is global warming really to blame for such freak weather conditions? One reason Hurricane Charley was so shocking was that there have been few serious hurricanes during the last four years as part of a downward trend for tropical storms over the last 50 years. Unfortunately, Boscastle has frequently endured flooding due to its proximity to two large rivers and the sea. And the people of West Africa and southern Italy are no strangers to the problems caused by swarms of insects. While there is scientific agreement that the world's climate has warmed during the last 100 years, this is an insufficient explanation for extreme weather that is part of how our climate constantly changes.
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Hurricanes and global warming? Is there a link? In a word...NO. Let's not let this become a campaign issue (particularly not in Florida!!!). Here's a climatologist's take on it. Good stuff from Tech Central Station.
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Figure 1, obtained from data provided by the National Hurricane Center, shows hurricane strikes (landfalls) by decade in the U.S. since 1900. The 1940s were rather busy, the 70s the quietest, and the 1990s pretty close to the long-term average. A simple linear fit suggests a decrease over time. This is a result echoed by Easterling, et al (2000), who said, "the number of intense and landfalling Atlantic hurricanes has declined." In the Gulf of Mexico there is "no sign of an increase in hurricane frequency or intensity," according to Bove, et al (1998). For the North Atlantic as a whole, according to the United Nations Environment Programme of the World Meteorological Organization, "Reliable data … since the 1940s indicate that the peak strength of the strongest hurricanes has not changed, and the mean maximum intensity of all hurricanes has decreased."
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