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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3360 on: February 15, 2010, 01:00:57 PM »
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Speech by Michael Crichton
Complexity Theory and Environmental Management
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In previous speeches, Michael criticized environmental groups for failing to incorporate complexity theory. Here he explains in detail why complexity theory is essential to environmental management, using the history of Yellowstone Park as an example of what not to do.
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3361 on: February 15, 2010, 06:46:37 PM »
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Good reason to ignore everything that comes from a newspaper about global warming:
"Yesterday, the Daily Mail of the UK published a predictably inaccurate article entitled “Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995″.
The title itself is a distortion of what Jones actually said in an interview with the BBC. What Jones actually said is that, while the globe has nominally warmed since 1995, it is difficult to establish the statistical significance of that warming given the short nature of the time interval (1995-present) involved. The warming trend consequently doesn’t quite achieve statistical significance."
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/02/daily-mangle/
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3362 on: February 15, 2010, 06:50:31 PM »
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Michael criticized environmental groups for failing to incorporate complexity theory.
That's a good joke.
Climate change deniers have never failed to treat climate as a complex theory.
When was the last time that any of them contributed anything useful (or even not useful) to a climate model.
As I understand it -- NEVER.
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3363 on: February 15, 2010, 07:11:19 PM »
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Want a Good Laugh About Climate Change Deniers?
Look at this site:
http://carbon-sense.com/2009/10/01/british-record/
Their headline:
No Global Warming in 351 Year British Temperature Record
You guessed it -- They cherry-picked the hell out of the data.
So, what does the record really show you if include all the data?
The 19th century was warmer than the 18th century.
The 20th century was warmer than the 19th century.
And the first decade of the 21st century has been warmer than any previous decade on record:
Do you think any denialist will respond? Guess again.
Source:
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/summer-and-smoke/
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3364 on: February 15, 2010, 07:22:03 PM »
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Like oil and water..
Liberals and the Scientific Method
Warmists are acting as enforcers of orthodoxy, not seekers of truth.
True to their mission as the organs of the liberal establishment, Time magazine and the New York Times ran stories in the midst of the great snowmageddon warning us against drawing any politically incorrect conclusions. “Skeptics of global warming,” cautioned the Times, “are using the record-setting snows to mock those who warn of dangerous human-driven climate change — this looks more like global cooling, they taunt. Most climate scientists respond that the ferocious storms are consistent with forecasts that a heating planet will produce more frequent and more intense weather events.” Time agrees: “There is some evidence that climate change could in fact make such massive snowstorms more common, even as the world continues to warm.”
Those who now protest that any particular weather pattern should not be confused with global climate have short memories. Only yesterday, they were attributing every forest fire, drought, hurricane, and toad disease to global warming. Remember the “plight” of the polar bears? Turns out that polar-bear populations have been increasing, not decreasing, for the past 30 years, though yes, one photographer did manage to snap a picture of bears seemingly stranded on an ice floe. The alarmists are in no position to complain now that isolated weather events are being used to draw vast and unwarranted conclusions.
More preposterous is the conceit that only the warmists are actually taking account of hard science.
http://article.nationalreview.com/424815/liberals-and-the-scientific-method/mona-charen?page=1
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3365 on: February 16, 2010, 06:48:35 AM »
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Got Excel? Funny..
Now IPCC hurricane data is questioned
Open science: Got Excel? Debunk this
By Andrew Orlowski
More trouble looms for the IPCC. The body may need to revise statements made in its Fourth Assessment Report on hurricanes and global warming. A statistical analysis of the raw data shows that the claims that global hurricane activity has increased cannot be supported.
Les Hatton once fixed weather models at the Met Office. Having studied Maths at Cambridge, he completed his PhD as metereologist: his PhD was the study of tornadoes and waterspouts. He's a fellow of the Royal Meterological Society, currently teaches at the University of Kingston, and is well known in the software engineering community - his studies include critical systems analysis.
Hatton has released what he describes as an 'A-level' statistical analysis, which tests six IPCC statements against raw data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric (NOAA) Administration. He's published all the raw data and invites criticism, but warns he is neither "a warmist nor a denialist", but a scientist.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/15/hatton_on_hurricanes/
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3366 on: February 17, 2010, 10:39:25 PM »
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There I go again..exaggerating.
From World Climate Report:
Another IPCC Error: Antarctic Sea Ice Increase Underestimated by 50%
Figure 1. Trend in Antarctic ice extent, November 1978 through December 2006 (source: Comiso and Nishio, 2008).
Several errors have been recently uncovered in the 4th Assessment Report (AR4) of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). These include problems with Himalayan glaciers, African agriculture, Amazon rainforests, Dutch geography, and attribution of damages from extreme weather events. More seem to turn up daily. Most of these errors stem from the IPCC’s reliance on non-peer reviewed sources.
The defenders of the IPCC have contended that most of these errors are minor in significance and are confined to the Working Group II Report (the one on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability) of the IPCC which was put together by representatives from various regional interests and that there was not as much hard science available to call upon as there was in the Working Group I report (“The Physical Science Basis”). The IPCC defenders argue that there have been no (or practically no) problems identified in the Working Group I (WGI) report on the science.
We humbly disagree.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2010/02/16/another-ipcc-error-antarctic-sea-ice-increase-underestimated-by-50/
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3367 on: February 18, 2010, 07:13:31 PM »
TonyBlair
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LOVE the headline!
Too Bad, Commies: Global Warming Is Done
The latest round of "Climategate" and several states bailing out of regional climate agreements are a sign that climate change fears don't pass the smell test.
By Rob Cornelius
So, a bunch of states in the western U.S. are bailing out on regional climate agreements to burn less of this or do less of that. Congrats this week to Utah and Texas and Arizona and whomever else rebukes tyranny before this paper prints Wednesday night.
Texas is to be lead plaintiff along with energy industry groups in suits to stop the U.S. EPA and its use of the "endangerment" provision among others as a tool to stop alleged "greenhouse gas emissions."
This is pretty cool. States suing the EPA. More global warming "experts" being exposed as bad scientists, for whom "I lost my homework" seems to be their only excuse.
Can't imagine how it would feel to have pinned my whole career and public life to a malicious lie. But that's where these guys seem to be. Even if Americans could afford the energy taxes that come with these ideas, that well has been poisoned.
No one outside a drum circle on a college campus believes that the end of the world is coming thanks to the Gavin Power Plant or me driving a 12-cylinder BMW.
People no longer trust the so-called environmental movement. ... and they never will again. That's the beauty of all this. Trust is built up over years, not days. And once destroyed, you don't get it back.
Despite the kindly old scientists and even your likable 10th grade biology teacher falling for this garbage, the folks that hijacked the conservation/ecology message have lost their credibility.
Science isn't a vote, but they tried to sell us that it is. With lists of names and petitions of those who agreed in exchange for lifetime employment in government and academic life. With phrases like "peer reviewed," which matter not if your peers are a rubber stamp for socialism.
http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=75364&printview=1
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3368 on: February 21, 2010, 03:21:42 PM »
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You knew it was coming..Hitler discovers Climategate..
http://www.youtube.com/v/w-PI2vCA9ck&rel=0
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3369 on: February 23, 2010, 08:12:17 AM »
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Planetary Skin
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3370 on: February 23, 2010, 09:57:07 PM »
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Learn about the
real
cost of global warming..
'Global warming': time to get angry
By James Delingpole
Heroic, monotesticular UKIP MEP Nigel Farage was bumped off the BBC Question Time panel at the last minute last week. Shame. That particular edition was broadcast from Middlesbrough and it would have been fascinating to hear the audience’s response to the choice things he was planning to say about the closure of their local steelworks.
Here is how he describes it in a letter:
Sir
Corus’ steelworks at Redcar, near Middlesbrough, “Teesside Cast Products”, is to be closed (”mothballed” is the euphemism). It is Britain’s last great steelworks and an essential national resource. Without it, we are at the world’s mercy.
Corus is owned by Tata Steel of India. Recently, Tata received “EU-carbon-credits” worth up to £1bn, ostensibly so that steel-production at Redcar would not be crippled by the EU’s “carbon-emissions-trading-scheme”. By closing the plant at Redcar – and not making any “carbon-emissions” – Tata walks off with £1bn of taxpayers’ money, which it will invest in its steel-factories in India, where there is no “carbon-emissions-trading-scheme”.
There’s more. The EU’s “emissions-trading-scheme” (ETS) is modelled on instructions from the “International Panel on Climate-Change” (IPCC) of the United Nations Organisation. The Chairman of the IPCC is one Dr Rajendra K.Pachauri, a former railway-engineer, who obtained this post by virtue of his being Chairman of the “Tata Energy-Research Institute” – set up by Tata Steel.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100027173/global-warming-time-to-get-angry/
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3371 on: February 24, 2010, 10:04:15 PM »
TonyBlair
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So..was all the histrionics about global warming and hurricanes just lies or mere exaggerations?
(this is
extremely
old news to those who have followed Michaels and others, but now it has the whiff of "peer-review"..if that means anything in climate science anymore).
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/02/updated-wmo-consensus-perspective-on.html
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3372 on: March 01, 2010, 07:33:32 PM »
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Hmm..this is strange. I remember back in the Stone Ages, all of the journals that we submitted papers to, required not only the paper, but the archived data as well. I wonder if this is a recent development in science in general or simply unique to climate phrenology.
Head of 'Climategate' research unit admits he hid data - because it was 'standard practice'
By Daily Mail Reporter
The scientist at the heart of the 'Climategate' row over global warming hid data 'because it was standard practice', it emerged today.
Professor Phil Jones, director of the University of East Anglia's prestigious climatic research unit, today admitted to MPs that the centre withheld raw station data about global temperatures from around the world.
The world-renowned research unit has been under fire since private emails, which sceptics claimed showed evidence of scientists manipulating climate data, were hacked from the university's server and posted online.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254660/Climategate-expert-tells-MPs.html#ixzz0gxG8xpGB
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3373 on: March 03, 2010, 07:01:30 PM »
TonyBlair
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It's a good thing she is a scientist..otherwise, she may be prone to exaggeration.
A question to the USGS and NPR
Which of these states is closest to 20,000 square kilometers in area?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/03/a-question-to-the-usgs-and-npr/
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3374 on: March 05, 2010, 06:52:05 AM »
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After wasting billions of taxpayer dollars, the phrenologists want to band together..to take out an ad in the NEW YORK TIMES? I am sure the 78 people that will see the ad will be REALLY impressed.
These people should be in jail for taxpayer fraud.
When will the REAL scientists grow a backbone and put a stop to this madness?
Climate scientists plot to fight back at skeptics
By Stephen Dinan
Undaunted by a rash of scandals over the science underpinning climate change, top climate researchers are plotting to respond with what one scientist involved said needs to be "an outlandishly aggressively partisan approach" to gut the credibility of skeptics.
In private e-mails obtained by The Washington Times, climate scientists at the National Academy of Sciences say they are tired of "being treated like political pawns" and need to fight back in kind. Their strategy includes forming a nonprofit group to organize researchers and use their donations to challenge critics by running a back-page ad in the New York Times.
"Most of our colleagues don't seem to grasp that we're not in a gentlepersons' debate, we're in a street fight against well-funded, merciless enemies who play by entirely different rules," Paul R. Ehrlich, a Stanford University researcher, said in one of the e-mails.
Some scientists question the tactic and say they should focus instead on perfecting their science, but the researchers who are organizing the effort say the political battle is eroding confidence in their work.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/05/scientists-plot-to-hit-back-at-critics/
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
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The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
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