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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3435 on: August 12, 2010, 09:23:38 PM »
theshadow
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There is plenty of evidence that the earth has gone through natural cycles of warming and cooling (from much iced over to mostly ice free.. We could be witnessing/modifying one of those natural variations. I do believe that the earth is warming and that greenhouse gases are accelerating (not necessarily causing) the process
"It's rather like suggesting that there may be other causes besides gravity that could explain why all of us just don't start hovering above the ground or fly off into space."
You gravity simile does not hold water :-D, There is no evidence that gravity is cyclical to the extent that we would be floating. There is evidence of lunar nodal gravity cycles but that is the effect of the earth as measured by Atlantic oceans flows.
The Shadow
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3436 on: August 13, 2010, 05:53:37 PM »
Ideological Sceptic
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"There is plenty of evidence that the earth has gone through natural cycles of warming and cooling "
Of course there are natural climate cycles.
And, there is always a physical mechanism behind these cycles -- a change of some sort that causes a change in the global energy balance.
Milankovitch cycles is one such type of event -- changes in the earths orientation and distance from the sun causes cyclical ice ages followed by an interglacial warming.
There is a solar cycle involving sun spots leading to periods of increased solar radiation.
As far as I know (which isn't all that far) there aren't any other cycles.
Variations in climate always have a cause. If you want to avoid an appeal to magic as the cause, you need to be more specific in describing the natural cycle and the mechanism behind it that you think might be causing, or is at least a partial cause of, the current warming.
The relation between gravity and cyclical events is much closer than you imagine.
(Are any other forces involved?)
The tides are cyclical -- caused by gravity. (as you point out)
The faces of the moon are cyclical -- caused by gravity.
The seasons are cyclical -- ....
Milankovitch cycles are caused by gravity.
Ice ages are cyclical and caused by obital variation caused by gravity.
Gravity isn't cyclical but it does, is the mechanism behind cyclical events.
CO2 (and the way it responds to solar radiation reflected from the surface of the earth) is the mechanism causing global warming.
If you think there is you would need to provide the for it mechanism for it.
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3437 on: August 24, 2010, 06:39:13 PM »
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Our very own Lonnie Thompson steps into it once again. I think if these climate "scientists" truly believe what they say, they should volunteer to leave the planet first. I think everyone would be much happier...
Quote of the Week- you first, Dr. Thompson
Posted on August 23, 2010 by Anthony Watts
Some days I think it can’t get any crazier out there, and then I’m surprised yet again.
From Dr.
Loonie
Lonnie Thompson, of Ohio State University:
“I think we’ll have to get off this planet for glaciology to have a future,” Thompson, a climate researcher with the Byrd Polar Research Center said at an international symposium at Ohio State University.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/23/quote-of-the-week-you-first-dr-thompson/
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3438 on: August 25, 2010, 07:37:32 PM »
Ideological Sceptic
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Lonnie Thompson is a climate scientist. Specifically, according to Wikipedia, he is a paleoclimatologist and Distinguished University Professor in the School of Earth Sciences at The Ohio State University. He has achieved global recognition for his drilling and analysis of ice cores from mountain glaciers and ice caps in the tropical and sub-tropical regions of the world.
Neither you nor I are climate scientists. You may consider yourself and Watts to be (a) smarter, (b) more intelligent, (c) better educated, and (d) better trained as a scientist than Thompson is.
I see no evidence of it.
The facts are plain.
The net ice volume of the world's glaciers is steadily declining.
Arctic sea ice extent and volume have both declined.
Greenland is losing ice and the ice loss is steadily spreading north.
Antarctica is losing ice.
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3439 on: August 25, 2010, 08:00:48 PM »
TonyBlair
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David Cameron issues a challenge to debate...the challenge is accepted...and Cameron backs out. How...shocking.
Cameron Is Chicken
August 23, 2010 12:30 P.M.
By Brian Bolduc
After challenging skeptics of global warming to a shoot-out only five months ago, director James Cameron is now running for cover, Climate Depot reports:
[Cameron] challenged three high profile global warming skeptics to a public debate at a global warming and energy conference. But Cameron backed out of the debate at the last minute after environmentalists ‘came out of the woodwork’ to warn him not to engage in a debate with skeptics because it was not in his best interest.
UPDATE: Cameron calls his jilted rivals “swine.”
UPDATE II: A spokesman explains Cameron’s sudden bout of stage fright: “Morano is not at James Cameron’s level to debate, and that’s why that didn’t happen. . . . Cameron should be debating someone who is similar to his stature in our society.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/244491/cameron-chicken-brian-bolduc
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3440 on: September 04, 2010, 08:38:46 AM »
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Climate panel must be purged
* Matt Ridley
THIS month, after a three-year investigation, Harvard University suspended a prominent professor of psychology for scandalously overinterpreting videos of monkey behaviour.
The incident has sent shock waves through science because it suggests a body of data is unreliable. The professor, Marc Hauser, is now a pariah in his field and his papers have been withdrawn. But the implications for society are not great; no policy had been based on his research.
This week, after a four-month review, a committee of scientists concluded that the Nobel prizewinning UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has "assigned high confidence to statements for which there is very little evidence, has failed to enforce its own guidelines, has been guilty of too little transparency, has ignored critical review comments and has had no policies on conflict of interest".
Enormous and expensive policy changes have been based on the flawed work of these scientists. Yet there is apparently to be no investigation, blame, suspension or withdrawal of papers, just a gentle bureaucratic fattening of the organisation with new full-time posts.
IPCC reports are supposed to be the gold standard account of what is - and is not - known about global warming. The panel boasts that it uses only peer-reviewed scientific literature.
But its claims about mountain ice turned out to be anecdotes from a climbing magazine, its claims on the Amazon's vulnerability to drought from a Brazilian pressure group's website and 42 per cent of the references in one chapter proved to be to reports by Greenpeace, World Wildlife Fund and other "grey" literature.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/climate-panel-must-be-purged/story-e6frg6zo-1225914025436
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3441 on: September 22, 2010, 05:49:59 PM »
TonyBlair
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If you scroll down to page 13, you will find that the men believing in AGW are more effeminate and more emotional than their skeptic counterparts.
I could almost type it with a straight face...
Study: Women more likely than men to accept global warming
Posted on September 14, 2010 by Anthony Watts
From press release at Michigan State University via Eurekalert, something sure to rile almost everyone.
EAST LANSING, Mich. — Women tend to believe the scientific consensus on global warming more than men, according to a study by a Michigan State University researcher.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/14/study-women-more-likely-than-men-to-accept-global-warming/
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3442 on: September 22, 2010, 09:26:41 PM »
Ideological Sceptic
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You are a sad little "man" linking women and emotion.
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3443 on: September 24, 2010, 07:08:29 AM »
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3444 on: September 25, 2010, 09:39:19 AM »
TonyBlair
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I don't who this guy is, but I like the way he thinks!
Letter: There is much evidence to disprove climate alarmism
To the Editor:
After reading Marianne Gabel's "Who missed 'climate change preview?'" (Westland News, Sept. 2), I can only conclude that she believes in man-made global warming because she wants to believe it. She cites as "evidence" that because it is warm outside, man and his carbon dioxide must be the cause.
Had she bothered to do a little more research, she might have come across some information that would be in stark contrast to her predetermined verdict.
As John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
Peru and other parts of South America are experiencing one of their coldest winters in over 50 years. Australia has also experienced an extremely cold winter. If she had read NOAA's report on the Russian heat wave, she would have known that it had nothing to do with global warming but is the result of a blocking high pressure system. Parts of Russia are now experiencing early snow -- weeks "ahead of schedule."
She is also concerned about hurricanes. If she read websites such as FSU's COAPS, she would learn that global tropical cyclone activity is at a 30-year low. Other websites, such as "Watts Up With That," provide an excellent resource for documentation on how the temperature "record" has been manipulated by biased adjustments and influenced by things such as the urban heat island effect.
She could also learn about the little-told story known as "Climate-Gate." Unfortunately for the alarmists, it turns out that some of the elite international scientists leading their charge have manipulated their data, lost (or deleted?) their records and failed to comply with information requests that would allow other scientists and the public to verify their "science." It got so bad that climate scientist Phil Jones had to publicly admit that there had been no statistically significant global warming in the last 15 years!
And what is her solution stemming from this bad reasoning and junk science? Impose expensive, job-killing climate legislation. The only thing that will do is send even more of our jobs overseas where there are no pollution controls and certainly no restrictions on carbon dioxide. In other words, it will prove the opposite of the intended effect while, at the same time, making us poor.
What should we do? We could use real science and technology as our guide, use reasonable methods to minimize pollution -- as we have been doing for the last 40 years -- and stop wasting billions of dollars each year and thousands of pages of print on climate alarmism.
Robert Wagner
founder and editor, CO2isLife.com
http://snponline.com/articles/2010/09/15/westland_news/opinion/letters/wnwagnerle_20100915_0425pm_2.txt
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3445 on: September 30, 2010, 06:59:11 AM »
TonyBlair
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Steve McIntyre has been named one of the 50 People Who Matter by the left-wing journal New Statesman. He comes in at number 32. (Below a motley crew including Osama Bin Laden, Hugo Chavez, David Cameron, Julian Assange, Barack Obama, and the like). (H/T Roddy Campbell)
Here’s what his entry says:
When the mining expert Stephen McIntyre challenged the basis of climate science on his blog, he became a figurehead for many climate-change sceptics.
His subsequent involvement in the 2009 “Climategate” controversy at the University of East Anglia (he was referred to in the hacked emails over 100 times) emboldened the sceptics further and changed global opinion: the number of people who believe man is responsible for global warming has fallen.
The influence might not be positive, but there’s no doubt he has shaped the debate.
But what’s much more interesting than the entry – because, let’s be honest, who really gives a toss what some dreary, ailing left-wing rag thinks – is the response to that stupid, priggish suggestion at the end that “the influence might not be positive.”
I hope the moron who wrote it is now squirming with embarrassment. He/she/it certainly should be after reading the thoroughly disgusted comments below.
Says the first:
“The influence might not be positive…”
So, McIntyre is wrong? May I ask for your evidence? Oh do tell. Put your money where your mouth is. Put your reputation on the line.
http://sppiblog.org/news/a-man-for-all-climate-seasons#more-2818
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The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3446 on: October 03, 2010, 07:28:20 AM »
TonyBlair
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What would the left do without violence? Or exploiting children? Or...
Climate Change Group Apologizes for Violent Video
by LA Holmes
Emaciated polar bears clutching to melting icebergs. Smokestacks fading to reveal wind turbines and clear air. These are the kinds of images you typically see in a TV spot for climate change awareness or clean energy use.
But exploding children?
That's precisely what's depicted in a new ad released Friday by British clean energy group 10:10, ironically titled "No Pressure."
Read more:
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/02/climate-change-group-apologizes-violent-video#ixzz11IIMdVIl
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Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3447 on: October 03, 2010, 03:26:12 PM »
Ideological Sceptic
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Anyone ever hear of Jonathan Swift?..
Apparently not.
He wrote something call
A Modest Proposal
.
It's considered a classic.
No Pressure
works on the same premise.
Of course if you have to explain humor, you will never understand it.
"No Pressure" .
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3448 on: October 05, 2010, 06:17:23 PM »
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The apologies are rolling in...along with the apologies for the apologies. Classic.
Better are the MSM press release stenographers who feel guilty that they even have to report on this.
Even better are scum-suckers who defend it....
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/04/the-1010-splattergate-goes-sploot-a-roundup/
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Re: Global Warming Watch
« Reply #3449 on: October 11, 2010, 11:00:32 AM »
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Professor Emiritus Hal Lewis Resigns from American Physical Society
Ouch, this one is going to hurt...
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/reasonmclucus/15835660/professor-emiritus-hal-lewis-resigns-from-american-physical-society/
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