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« Reply #3420 on: July 24, 2010, 06:09:15 PM »
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First Australia has record cold
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/30/record-cold-down-under/

and now South America.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/21/mapping-the-cold-snap-in-south-america/

Premature Chill in the Arctic
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/19/premature-chill-in-the-arctic/

Antarctic sea ice peaks at third highest in the satellite record
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/03/antarctic-sea-ice-peaks-at-third-highest-in-the-satellite-record/
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« Reply #3421 on: July 24, 2010, 07:04:25 PM »
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NASA's GISTEMP analysis, the CRUTEM analysis (from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit), and an analysis by NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)  Japan Meteorological Agency


Source: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Assessing-global-surface-temperature-reconstructions.html
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« Reply #3422 on: July 28, 2010, 08:40:28 AM »
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A long essay, but read the whole, excellent thing...

Aliens Cause Global Warming: A Caltech Lecture by Michael Crichton

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/09/aliens-cause-global-warming-a-caltech-lecture-by-michael-crichton/
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« Reply #3423 on: August 01, 2010, 08:05:43 AM »
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TonyBlair posted this back in May -- I must have missed it.

Note the typo

"To get a slice of what slimeballs these climate 'scientists' are, check out Steve McIntyre's presentation at the previously mentioned conference.  He narrowly focuses one aspect..."hide the decline" and its history since 1998.  Fascinating."


It should have read: To get a slice of what a slimeball "scientist" Steve McIntyre is ......
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« Reply #3424 on: August 01, 2010, 05:42:16 PM »
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Southern border immigration is caused by....you guessed it...global warming.  Read the summary of the sloppy data usage...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/28/border-transgressions/#more-22661
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« Reply #3425 on: August 07, 2010, 11:39:25 AM »
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TB will not see this so he can continue in his blissful delusion  Grin  Grin

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/giant-ice-island-breaks-off-from-greenland/19584793

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« Reply #3426 on: August 09, 2010, 06:53:45 PM »
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Remember kids...weather is not climate.  Or is it climate is not weather?  I don't remember...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/07/world-weather-roundup/#more-23130
Lots of odd weather events going on worldwide.

    * Snow in Brazil
    * Freeze in Boliva kills wildlfe
    * Heatwave and fires in Russia – but it is not global warming

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Record Cold Grips South America
Merco Press – August 5, 2010

Snow in Brazil

Light snow storms in Brazil were concentrated in areas of Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina. O Globo network aired snow flakes falling in early morning, cars covered with a thin white coating and some roads dangerously slippery because of ice.

In Argentina the phenomenon extended to Northern provinces, geographically sub-tropical while in the Patagonia and along the Andes snow reached over a metre deep, isolating villages and causing yet undisclosed losses to crops and livestock.

After a harsh weekend, Argentina’s National Weather Forecast Service announced the cold weather is expected to stay until Thursday although it could again reach a freezing peak over the coming week-end.

On Wednesday a northbound cold front hit the Patagonia and central Argentine regions. In Patagonia, minimum temperatures went as low as minus 10 Celsius with even lower numbers in snowy regions, while maximum temps were in the range of zero to 7 Celsius.


In Uruguay the power record consumption was reached on Wednesday at 20:45. The lowest temperatures were registered in the north and west of the country: minus 7 Celsius.



“The last time something of this magnitude happened was 47 years ago”, said governor Costas.

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Bolivia has been hit by an unprecedented cold wave, which has wiped out fish, turtles, and even dolphins in rivers, ponds and lakes around the country. The rivers are now surrounded with the stench of dead carcasses. And this comes only days after snowfall in Buenos Aires.

See: http://www.boliviabella.com/1-million-fish-dead-in-bolivian-ecological-disaster.html
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Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming

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« Reply #3427 on: August 10, 2010, 07:06:16 PM »
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Statistical Significance = The Distinction Between Climate and Weather

The Graph displays 10 Years of Weather -- Not climate change.




Why is this not climate? -- because it doesn't rise to the level of showing a CONVENTIONAL level of statistical significance.


Are temperatures rising as per the red slope OR are temperatures flat as per the blue NULL hypotheses that indicates nothing is happening.

The probability is 7.6% that the blue line is correct.
The probability is 94.6% that the red line is correct.

According to the conventions of statistics, you need a 95% - 5% difference to claim a statistically significant trend. Hence, until a 95% probability is reached it's just weather.

Get it?

See http://www.skepticalscience.com/On-Statistical-Significance-and-Confidence.html

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« Reply #3428 on: August 10, 2010, 08:06:53 PM »
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Geologists....what do they know anyway?

Study: Climate 460 MYA was like today, but thought to have CO2 levels 5-20 times as high



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/10/study-climate-460-mya-was-like-today-but-thought-to-have-co2-levels-20-times-as-high/
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« Reply #3429 on: August 10, 2010, 08:51:34 PM »
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Hey, do you think there could be other factors that play a role in determining climate?

Ever hear of solar output? -- the amount of energy produced by the sun?

Do you think solar variation could effect earth's atmospheric temperatures?

500 million years ago solar output was around 4% less than today.

Past periods of higher CO2 do not contradict the notion that CO2 is (one of the) causes of global temperatures. On the contrary, they confirm the close coupling between CO2 and climate.



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« Reply #3430 on: August 11, 2010, 07:54:21 AM »
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To believe that the earth's temperature does not affect weather and climate is to be very naive or ideologically blinded.  What we see now has been predicted from the global warming models.  The question always remains.   How much of the global temperature change is due to anthropomorphic activity?  But "believing" either way does not make it so.

The Shadow prefers caution.
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« Reply #3431 on: August 11, 2010, 04:46:02 PM »
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I love the smell of gunsmoke in the morning.  It smells like.........VICTORY!



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/11/more-gunsmoke-this-time-in-nepal/#more-23293
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Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming

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« Reply #3432 on: August 11, 2010, 06:32:54 PM »
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The Shadow:
"To believe that the earth's temperature does not affect weather and climate is to be very naive or ideologically blinded. "

I don't know if this is addressed to me or not but I'll respond.

From Wikipedia:

Climates encompasses the statistics of temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, rainfall, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological elements in a given region over long periods of time.

The energy budget of the earth - temperature - is a key component of climate. The average temperature of the earth's atmosphere clearly appears to be rising.

BUT temperature is inherently variable -- it goes up one year and down the next.  Determining the real change is difficult and it takes data gathered over about 30 years to ascertain if any change is really occurring.

It seems to be occurring and the main cause of the change seems to be CO2 pumped into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels.

I am averse to taking big risks too -- that is why we should launch a crash program to cut back on the use of fossil fuel.
The downside of the such a program, if global warming turns out to be false, is minimal. The downside of failing to have such a program and global warming turns out to be real is potentially disastrous.









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« Reply #3433 on: August 12, 2010, 09:36:41 AM »
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TO IS (TB will not see this)

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It seems to be occurring and the main cause of the change seems to be CO2 pumped into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels"

Taking a devil's advocate position..  might the C02 increase be coincidental with other "natural" and not possible to stop reasons?

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« Reply #3434 on: August 12, 2010, 07:22:57 PM »
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Taking a devil's advocate position..  might the C02 increase be coincidental with other "natural" and not possible to stop reasons?

I appreciate suggestions of contrary possibilities but I'm not sure what you mean here.

I take it you are suggesting that natural non-human causes other than increasing amounts of CO2 may be at work in bringing about global warming.

It's rather like suggesting that there may be other causes besides gravity that could explain why all of us just don't start hovering above the ground or fly off into space.

Maybe there are other causes -- to suggest it creates a burden of explaining exactly what this real cause is.









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