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« on: March 20, 2005, 07:50:13 PM »
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Unbelievable... perhaps some in this country could actually learn a lesson from the Canadians?[/size]


A letter from the Moncton Hospital to a New Brunswick heart patient in need of an electrocardiogram said the appointment would be in three months. It added: "If the person named on this computer-generated letter is deceased, please accept our sincere apologies." [...]

"Every day we're paying for health care, yet when we go to access it, it's just not there," said Pelton. [...]

The average Canadian family pays about 48 percent of its income in taxes each year, partly to fund the health care system. Rates vary from province to province, but Ontario, the most populous, spends roughly 40 percent of every tax dollar on health care, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. [...]

Despite the financial burden, Canadians value their Medicare as a marker of egalitarianism and independent identity that sets their country apart from the United States, where some 45 million Americans lack health insurance.

Raisa Deber, a professor of health policy at the University of Toronto, believes Canada's system is one of the world's fairest.

LOL!!!!  :lol:
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2005, 08:02:15 PM »
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There's that word "egalitarianism" again.  What a vile and disgusting word.
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2005, 08:48:49 PM »
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A couple of points.

First, it's elementary economics.  When you have limited supply by unlimited demand, you must have either price signals or market-clearing devices (i.e., queuing and other forms of service denial).  The Canadians have opted for service denial...they can feel morally superior in their long lines.

Second, the average American family pays about 37% of its income in Federal, State and local taxes, and we DON'T have "universal" health care.  Nothing to be proud about, in my view...everywhere government is too parasitical.  
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2005, 11:23:45 PM »
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It is even better --

The fraud from the Canadian university claimed every Canadian gets care -- unless they are a heart patient who died while waiting, unless they are a teenage girl who needs her knee rebuilt...

As for the denial of services to US citizens, would somebody please show me someone who has been denied service?  Made to wait?  Sure.  Hell, I had to wait 6 hours with a kidney stone in a Los Vagas ER last spring.  The ER was crowded because a bunch of deadbeats were using the ER as primary physician, and they can stiff the hospital.   Made to pay?  Only if you have a freeking job.

As for Canadian taxes, they are a bunch of free riders on the US defense budget, just as they were parasites on the British defense establishment before the Second War.  

A pox on Canada.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2005, 09:27:35 AM »
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Hey there, JohnO! We've missed you around here lately... hope everything's going well with that brand new mini-republican of yours.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2005, 11:08:08 PM »
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TONY Blair yesterday faced a woman who pulled out SEVEN of her teeth after failing to find an NHS dentist.

Great-grandmother Valerie Halsworth, 64, removed them with her husband’s pliers.

She pulled out a seventh tooth over the weekend before meeting the PM in Coventry yesterday.

The cleaner, from Scarborough, North Yorks, has a gum disease that causes her teeth to loosen.

The confrontation came on a live question and answer session with the PM on Sky TV.

Mrs Halsworth — who cannot afford private dentistry — said three foreign dentists in her home town all proved unsatisfactory.

Last March 3,000 people queued for a new NHS dentist in the town.



http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-20051...5142569,00.html
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OH, BTW they always claim that this is free healthcare. It isn't. Just look at the difference in per capita GDP between these countries and the US. Sure they get free healthcare, but they pay for it with a much lower per capital GDP.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_gdp_cap
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Misleading Infant mortality rates

Why the gap between the U.S. and the others? The key is immigration and diversity of population.

The U.S. has a far higher immigration rate than any comparable country, and is, consequently, a more heterogeneous population than any of its Western European peers (despite looming immigration pressures in France, Holland and the U.K.). And Cuba is about as homogeneous as a country can get.

Heterogeneous populations, as might be expected, have widely varying infant health care patterns related to different ethnic groups and their living standards. Infant mortality rates in New York City, for example, averaged 6 per 1,000 live births in recent statistics. However, “children born to black non-Hispanic mothers have an infant mortality rate of 10.0, more than twice the rate of those born to white non-Hispanic mothers (4.2),” according to the New York Department of Health and Hygiene.

http://jeffmatthewsisnotmakingthisup.blogs...misleading.html

Table 1 shows data on infant death rates (p), and infant
survival rates (1 -p) by race during 1940-82 . If one compares
the last two table columns, it becomes clear that the
ratio of the death rates and the ratio of the survival rates
give opposite answers to the question-what happened to
the relative chances of black infants surviving versus white
infants? The ratio of death rates (black to white) shows the
situation worsening for blacks, while the ratio of survival
rates shows their relative situation improving. Because blacks
started from a higher death rate level, a significantly larger
absolute decline in their mortality rate amounted to a smaller
relative decline than whites experienced. And because their
survival rate started from a lower level than whites, it must
have increased by a greater percentage . As noted, without
data to combine (p) and (I - p) for each group, we can only
conclude that there was no significant change in relative
status .

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1984/06/rpt1full.pdf

This is what I have always believed to be the truth, and it is supported by personal conversations I have had with various ER Doc's that have worked overseas. They would complain about letting new borns die, when they knew that if they were in the US they could have been saved. Primi medical care is extremely expensive and most of these countries don't even have primi units to even try to save the lives of these babys.

High infant mortality rates can skew the statistical data in a misleading way. Yes, these statistics are "acurate," but they create a false picture of the truth about reasonable life span expectancies, and the causes and effects going into this.

Today, all sorts of heroic efforts are made to enable babies (particularly ones born prematurely) to survive. In the past, they would have died. It is nice that these babies can now be saved, but infant mortality rates will always have a certain skewing effect on the entire facts involved in longevity rates.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Disinformation
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