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["Suppression of thought, loss of ideas, closing down of discussion — that's not an act of faith. That's not of the Holy Spirit,"]

VATICAN CITY - Some quantitative measures of John Paul II's papacy are well known: He visited more countries, named more saints and issued more teaching documents than any other pope. But there is another statistic that is seldom mentioned here: By some estimates, the Vatican silenced or reprimanded more than 100 Roman Catholic theologians during John Paul's 26-year reign.

As 115 cardinals prepare to enter a conclave Monday to elect the next pope, dissidents are calling for a new openness and willingness to debate such topics as the ordination of women, condom use to fight HIV/AIDS and the morality of homosexuality.

"Suppression of thought, loss of ideas, closing down of discussion — that's not an act of faith. That's not of the Holy Spirit," said Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun from Erie, Pa. "Unity is good, but it has a dark side."

read on
 

[Edmund Burke]

Yea, Sister, it's called "social control."  It's related to another idea called "discipline."  Authority is what separates functioning social organizations from mobs.  I wish some of these people would get a clue.  Speech without discipline is irresponsibility.

[Just as the political left around the world has caused humanity much harm, the spiritual left within Christianity has as well, as they are the soulmates of and active collaborators with the political left. They exist within both Protestant demoninations and the Catholic Church. These Catholic leftists are the ones pressing for an end to celibacy, the ordination of women as priests, a diminuation of papal authority, the liberalization of seminaries and the "vetting" of seminarians, and a much more "modern and relevant" approach to theology and doctrinal matters. In talking to these people, they sound much like the MoveOn types, who have just started focusing primarily upon religion-related issues as opposed to just politics. Their influence has brought us pedophile priests, and a more widespread acceptance of and support for abortion than I would have ever thought possible. In their midst spiritual relativism melds with moral relativism, and they work tirelessly to erode the foundations of the church. Despicable people at best, working tirelessly, and whether knowingly or unknowingly, serving Lucifer quite effectively.]

Just as the political left around the world has caused humanity much harm, the spiritual left within Christianity has as well, as they are the soulmates of and active collaborators with the political left.  They exist within both Protestant demoninations and the Catholic Church.  These Catholic leftists are the ones pressing for an end to celibacy, the ordination of women as priests, a diminuation of papal authority, the liberalization of seminaries and the "vetting" of seminarians, and a much more "modern and relevant" approach to theology and doctrinal matters.  In talking to these people, they sound much like the MoveOn types, who have just started focusing primarily upon religion-related issues as opposed to just politics.  Their influence has brought us pedophile priests, and a more widespread acceptance of and support for abortion than I would have ever thought possible.  In their midst spiritual relativism melds with moral relativism, and they work tirelessly to erode the foundations of the church.  Despicable people at best, working tirelessly, and whether knowingly or unknowingly, serving Lucifer quite effectively.

Condoms don't prevent AIDS, but abstinence does. Another example of Tweets anti-Catholic Jihad.


If the church changes and accepts contraception and embraces the sins of homosexuality, then why have a church? If it evolves to the standards of decency of secular society, then why don't a Catholic worship at the alter of MTV?

If anything, the Church must move in a more conservative direction, so that today's youth will have some place to turn to to avoid the sinful lifestyles promoted in pop culture.

http://www.catholicleague.org/05press_rele...411_unchief.htm

April 11, 2005 

U.N. POPULATION CHIEF LECTURES VATICAN

Thoraya Obaid, the head of the U.N. Population Fund, admonished the Vatican today to change its teachings on condoms.  Speaking of the need for the Catholic Church to endorse condom use, she said, “We are hoping  the new pope will take this message further, because it makes no sense sending people to their death.”  She urged the Church to adopt a “morally correct decision” on how to stop HIV.

Catholic League president William Donohue spoke to this issue today:

 “Is there anyone on the planet who doesn’t know about the alleged wonders of condoms?  Yet, it is indisputably true that as condom use has increased, so have sexually transmitted diseases (STD’s).  This is not to say that condom use causes STD’s, but it is to say that condom use has not prevented the explosion in STD’s.  And this is because the same culture that prizes sexual license—in all its expressions—is morally incapable of sending a message of restraint.

“If Thoraya Obaid is truly concerned about HIV in Africa, she should get the U.N. to endorse the teachings of the Catholic Church on matters sexual.  That is because the only real success story on that continent is Uganda, a nation that has tailored its anti-HIV strategy to the wisdom of Catholic sexual ethics.  According to Edward C. Green, a professor at the Harvard School of Public Health, ‘basic behavioral changes in Uganda of 1987-95 have kept HIV prevalence declining up until now.’  The reason why the progress that has been made is now in jeopardy has more to do with dropping the emphasis on abstinence, he says, in exchange for a more condom-centered approach.

“Obaid is not only wrong on the issue, she is wrong on the cause of deaths due to AIDS.  It is near impossible for anyone to die of AIDS (save for a blood transfusion) who follows the teachings of the Catholic Church on sexuality.  It is not the Catholic Church that is causing Africans to die—or is responsible for a new strain of HIV among homosexuals in New York City—it is behavioral recklessness.”

[Bingo, Sir Matt.The truth shall set you free.Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria is a viable candidate for the papal selection. Should that prove to be the Holy Spirit's direction, Thoraya Obaid, the head of the U.N. Population Fund, will be surprised to hear an African Pope standing firm on this issue. From all I've read of him over the years he is refreshingly conservative in his theological stances, and I would think it improbable to see him deviating from John Paul II's views on the subject.]

Bingo, Sir Matt.

The truth shall set you free.

Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria is a viable candidate for the papal selection.  Should that prove to be the Holy Spirit's direction, Thoraya Obaid, the head of the U.N. Population Fund, will be surprised to hear an African Pope standing firm on this issue.  From all I've read of him over the years he is refreshingly conservative in his theological stances, and I would think it improbable to see him deviating from John Paul II's views on the subject.

[mattnaugle]

Another example of Tweets anti-Catholic Jihad.
mattnaugle

I never realized pointing out an article that people within a church trying to establish dialogue was a anti-catholic jihad. I will agree there are certain things within the church that must remain conservative and that are not open to discussion.

I believe the point that other people in general have attempted to politely make is that the policy of "no-condoms" isn't in relation to the spread of HIV, wake up campers it's to help families to feed what they breed. The "no-condom" policy greatly contributes to the balloning over population of the world.

The lack of family planning ie birth control only drives the 3rd world countries further into poverty. Then when your friendly neighborhood communist/muslim revolutionaires arrive they claim to have the answer to alleviate those problems by destablizing what little of a democracy that is in place, hence making it a place for more terrorist camps to thrive in the midst of a "no-go area" that the government forces don't have the training or the weapons to root out the problem.

I have never said there isn't a place in the world for religion, unfortunately placing words in my mouth is a very poor thing to do. If I said it show in my past post were I did say it, otherwise stow it in your pie hole. Have you ever wondered why some people never come back as regulars here? When these baseless accusations are made against another individual that your supposed to be on the same side with keeping happening, it would be a pretty good indicator for me.

Besides why would I want to vote for a canidate who I know for a fact attracts a narrow minded band of individuals who want nothing more to do than fight like little 4th graders? That sure would make it easy for any other republican canidate or a democrat canidate to take advantage of since it's easily found. Grow up and get over yourself!

Unfortunately there are lessons of this world that cannot be learned from the safety and security of America. You need to have the guts to venture out in the real world were you life is worth as much as anyone elses, not a single cent. As far as the people in foreign lands care that only means one less mouth to feed which means more food for the rest of them. Besides your an arrogant American that thinks your s*** don't stink as far as they are concerned.

I'm not saying we can and should solve all of the world's problems, however birth control would be a great start. The other side to that would be abstinence is also another good choice till a marriage takes place, even then condoms can be a good effective choice of birth control when properly used. If anything the UN should be held to a much higher standard of accountability, elimination would also be the other good choice as well.

Do I hear a bravo for the common sense approach to keeping the world population somewhat in check? The blindness of kneeling to a mortal who is no better than anyone else still turns my stomach; kneel to the father, son and the holy spirit. The ability of having an open mind that observes is much safer than the wounded heart that seeks comfort from the slings & arrows of those who are supposedly from within the church family. It's then that wounded heart finds those who are far from honest and true, that it then leads to not being on the proper path.

Contrary to popular belief one must not attend the confines of the church to stay on the path. It's the "I" factor, do you really know what the "I" factor is?
 

[The teachings of the Catholic Church on this subject are a seamless affirmation of life. The conception of a child is viewed as but a part of God's own creative process, the emergence of yet another eternal soul, created only through His assent and grace. Unless you believe that there is no God, and that we are but animals, for the moment occupying the top spot in the Darwinian food chain. Birth control in all it's varied mechanical and pharmaceutical forms, as well as abortion, introduce a maleavolent vehicle for interfering with God's creative process, and thus it is opposed.Re-read the section above providing the example of Uganda. The whole idea is that the Church encourages believers to lead holy lives, with their eternal salvation in mind. Part of leading a holy life, and actually trying to live out the teachings of Christ in our lives, should logically include practicing abstinence outside marriage, as well as within it at times if additional children would constitute a burden upon the family. Tweet, the idea is to help people in the end to get to heaven, without commiting affronts to God that could prevent it when all is said and done. That is a good thing.Should these teachings be subordinated to practical considerations in contending with the realities of contemporary society? I think not. People won't exercise self-control in the modern world? Many don't, but that does not mean the Church, regardless of denomination, should discard basic principles to "become more relevant". Eternal salvation is the ultimate relevance. Thank God the leadership of the Catholic Church, as well as many amongst the various Protestant denominations, have had the courage to stand firm on such issues. May not make them popular, but attaining popularity will never constitute a driving force behind theological principle, at least for those who sincerely strive to serve their Creator.As far as overpopulation in the Third World, my own belief is that there is no overpopulation.....only underdevelopment, and that due to the sinful and less than altruistic natures of far too many people. There are quite a few places in the Far East, take Hong Kong for example, with the highest population densities on planet earth. Yet they are highly developed technologically and prosperous. Such positive economic development can occur anywhere in the world that men commit to making it happen. No time at the moment to compose a treatise on it, but it's true.In another thread I provided a link to one of John Paul's encyclical letters. I'm curious as to whether any among us took the opportunity to read it. Probably not. Your loss. He wrote many, as have his predecessors, and on a great variety of topics. Some have dealt with issues of governance, forms of governments, their strengths and weaknesses, peace among nations, the inherent integrity of honest labor, the obligation of nations and people blessed with abundance to help those in less fortunate circumstances, and on and on and on.Unless and until mankind overwhelmingly embraces the message of the Gospel, myriad evils will continue to inflict great harm upon a weak, yet far too proud humanity. Yet that day will come someday, and there is a happy ending to the story. We have Christ's promise. And in the meantime we wait. Hopefully working to unite Christians rather than divide them.In the interim, if I might quote that notable American philosopher, Rodney King, why don't we try to get along?]

The teachings of the Catholic Church on this subject are a seamless affirmation of life.  The conception of a child is viewed as but a part of God's own creative process, the emergence of yet another eternal soul, created only through His assent and grace.  Unless you believe that there is no God, and that we are but animals, for the moment occupying the top spot in the Darwinian food chain.  Birth control in all it's varied mechanical and pharmaceutical forms, as well as abortion, introduce a maleavolent vehicle for interfering with God's creative process, and thus it is opposed.

Re-read the section above providing the example of Uganda.  The whole idea is that the Church encourages believers to lead holy lives, with their eternal salvation in mind.  Part of leading a holy life, and actually trying to live out the teachings of Christ in our lives, should logically include practicing abstinence outside marriage, as well as within it at times if additional children would constitute a burden upon the family.  Tweet, the idea is to help people in the end to get to heaven, without commiting affronts to God that could prevent it when all is said and done.  That is a good thing.

Should these teachings be subordinated to practical considerations in contending with the realities of contemporary society?  I think not.  People won't exercise self-control in the modern world?  Many don't, but that does not mean the Church, regardless of denomination, should discard basic principles to "become more relevant".  Eternal salvation is the ultimate relevance.  Thank God the leadership of the Catholic Church, as well as many amongst the various Protestant denominations, have had the courage to stand firm on such issues.  May not make them popular, but attaining popularity will never constitute a driving force behind theological principle, at least for those who sincerely strive to serve their Creator.

As far as overpopulation in the Third World, my own belief is that there is no overpopulation.....only underdevelopment, and that due to the sinful and less than altruistic natures of far too many people.  There are quite a few places in the Far East, take Hong Kong for example, with the highest population densities on planet earth.  Yet they are highly developed technologically and prosperous.  Such positive economic development can occur anywhere in the world that men commit to making it happen.  No time at the moment to compose a treatise on it, but it's true.

In another thread I provided a link to one of John Paul's encyclical letters.  I'm curious as to whether any among us took the opportunity to read it.  Probably not.  Your loss.  He wrote many, as have his predecessors, and on a great variety of topics.  Some have dealt with issues of governance, forms of governments, their strengths and weaknesses, peace among nations, the inherent integrity of honest labor, the obligation of nations and people blessed with abundance to help those in less fortunate circumstances, and on and on and on.

Unless and until mankind overwhelmingly embraces the message of the Gospel, myriad evils will continue to inflict great harm upon a weak, yet far too proud humanity.  Yet that day will come someday, and there is a happy ending to the story.  We have Christ's promise.  And in the meantime we wait.  Hopefully working to unite Christians rather than divide them.

In the interim, if I might quote that notable American philosopher, Rodney King, why don't we try to get along?

I am a 3rd generation Nazarene, I spent 20+ years most of them growing up within the church. I have a far better grasp of theology due to the fact quite a few of my friends pastor churches, this does mean they graduated from college & do not have a mail order diploma hanging on the wall of their office. The only real advantage that I had as a young man growing up within the church was my bio-dad had managed to bs some of the top church leaders that we as well had the chance to break bread with numerous times.

One of many lessons that was taught and was found to be important for everyone within the church to remember was that there are many different religions in the world. While we would like to believe that ours should be the religion everyone would want to be involved with, that wouldn't always turn out the way we wanted it to.

What also was taught is that it takes many different people to make the world go around that you cannot alienate yourself from everyone due to their preference of religion. That also meant we never attacked anyone on the pretense of their religion, you just didn't attack people that was the bottom line. Even if you were attacked taking the high road would hopefully be the choice that individual would take.

What has happened in this situation was that I merely pointed out an article that parishoners within the catholic church didn't appreciate being silenced because they were questioning different issues within the church. It would also be noteworthy that I back the conservative stances the catholic church has.

Then I am attacked as a individual with a "anti-catholic jihad", what is missing in this picture? Why in the world would anyone make such an attack against anyone of Jewish descent? I can draw many answers to my questions to which I do not believe any of you have the b***s to handle.

If your catholic and love to read the writings of your different bishops & cardinals more power to you, to make a remark of "your loss" tells me far more about you as a person than I ever cared to know. Arrogance of that level repulses me. It's all about respect to which I don't believe anyone is capable of in this situation because since I don't see eye to eye with the teachings of the catholic church, I am somehow sub-human for  not appreciating the writings of catholic bishops & cardinals.

The new pope is preaching unity of christians across the world yet I have seen none of it happening in this thread. I would like to believe that if any of you believe you are living in the "end times" you would be conducting yourselves as though each breath you take could be your last since "he can come as a thief in the night" bringing peace to the faithfull.

I have met many nice people within CTH however when ANY of you think for a second your better than I for the religion you practice you have fallen and hit your head. That is the hypocrit's way of living life to which was one of the many reasons I do not deal with the church, I believe it was Paul who wrote concerning hyprocisy, now all of our fine bible scholars can get on that train to ride me for that comment. I also believe Paul wrote this behavior would be the downfall of the church.

As I also said earlier after what has been written in these other posts for you to think for a second I would vote for Ken Blackwell knowing the idealogy of those who are supporting him when others don't agree with them you have another thing coming. To know that his supporters would attack anyone in such a fashion that may not agree with them; these could possibly be the same people who could have the chance to have key positions within state governent that would be extremely vindictive towards the minority.

I don't find this an attractive alternative for governor and yes I will call his campaign office to express this view to them. As well I will be sure that the same campaign office also has the pleasure of reading the posts here and of how his supporters treat those who disagree who with them.

You all have drastically under-estimated me. If you would like a significant quote from American history let's try this one on for size, "Nuts" btw it is the 60th anniversary of the defense of Bastogne. For those of you the military units involved in the action were the 101st Airborne Div, Combat Command B 10th Armored Div and Reserve Command 9th Armored Div.

I used that Rodney King quote to clean the puppy cage. This whole thread is nearly enough to turn me liberal.

Now I have given far more of my time here than I ever should have given here and will now devote my energy to far more positive projects that deserve my participation. It was really nice to have met a few of you at different times and places.  

It isn't about you.

Words to live by.
 

[Tweet, don't be paranoid, what's with all the venom? You presume attacks and condescension where none exists. I question not your religious beliefs, or your spiritual ancestry. The "your loss" reference was not directed to you personally, but to all, and based solely on the assumption that few if any would actually expend the effort to read the encyclical I had provided a link to. If reliable people on this site, or in a syndicated column somewhere, or in the media recommend the reading of something from a religious leader, regardless of denomination, if the subject matter is of interest to me I try to check it out. I would assume the same objective intellectual curiosity of most of us here. You tell me that Billy Graham, or Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson, or some Jewish writer has penned something well worth reading, then I'm all over it, hoping to gain something positive from it. You may notice that a lot of the articles I post have been sourced from Jewish World Review, for example.My reading recommendation was based on feeling that any among us would find it thought provoking reading, regardless of denominational background, due to the universal nature and applicablility of the subject matter. If Billy Graham had written it, I would similarly have recommended it. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you seem to reject it out of hand because it was written by a Catholic leader, and if so, that's a shame, and indeed in this instance "your loss". For whatever reason, you've got a lot of anger in you that easily rises to the surface when religion comes up, even when none wish you ill. And whether or not it is in fact the case, you have expressed yourself in a manner that does in fact give the impression of anti-Catholic manifestations. That's just my perception, whether or not it's in your heart. And you'll not find me trashing Nazarenes, or Jews, or Baptists, or Lutherans, or anyone else based on their religious beliefs. One exception to that would be Muslims who believe it their religious duty to conquer the world, dominate humanity, and persecute all infidels. Other than for those blockheads, I think we can and should all respect each other's heartfelt religious beliefs, and interact so as to focus primarily upon shared values, rather than upon perceived differences.Done. This is stupid.]

Tweet, don't be paranoid, what's with all the venom?  You presume attacks and condescension where none exists.  I question not your religious beliefs, or your spiritual ancestry.  The "your loss" reference was not directed to you personally, but to all, and based solely on the assumption that few if any would actually expend the effort to read the encyclical I had provided a link to.  

If reliable people on this site, or in a syndicated column somewhere, or in the media recommend the reading of something from a religious leader, regardless of denomination, if the subject matter is of interest to me I try to check it out.  I would assume the same objective intellectual curiosity of most of us here.  You tell me that Billy Graham, or Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson, or some Jewish writer has penned something well worth reading, then I'm all over it, hoping to gain something positive from it.  You may notice that a lot of the articles I post have been sourced from Jewish World Review, for example.

My reading recommendation was based on feeling that any among us would find it thought provoking reading, regardless of denominational background, due to the universal nature and applicablility of the subject matter.  If Billy Graham had written it, I would similarly have recommended it.  Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you seem to reject it out of hand because it was written by a Catholic leader, and if so, that's a shame, and indeed in this instance "your loss".  For whatever reason, you've got a lot of anger in you that easily rises to the surface when religion comes up, even when none wish you ill.  And whether or not it is in fact the case, you have expressed yourself in a manner that does in fact give the impression of anti-Catholic manifestations.  That's just my perception, whether or not it's in your heart.  And you'll not find me trashing Nazarenes, or Jews, or Baptists, or Lutherans, or anyone else based on their religious beliefs.  

One exception to that would be Muslims who believe it their religious duty to conquer the world, dominate humanity, and persecute all infidels.  Other than for those blockheads, I think we can and should all respect each other's heartfelt religious beliefs, and interact so as to focus primarily upon shared values, rather than upon perceived differences.

Done.  This is stupid.