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Topic: Has the Republican Party given up on Columbus?  (Read 2020 times)
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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2005, 03:04:54 PM »
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Even when we win (at least in Ohio), we lose.


Dain,

Dr. Phil would consider this great progress.  The first step in any compulsive activity is "Admit you have a problem"   :rolleyes:
 
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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2005, 06:42:00 PM »
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Robert Butler, when first you elect a Libertarian governor you can say such things!

I'm sad to say it, but RINOs may be all that's possible in this state.  Big tent parties do what they have to to adapt and survive.  I'm not happy about it, and I hope this next election can prove (via Blackwell) that a conservative can win, but I doubt it.  
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2005, 01:40:10 PM »
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In my humble opinion, we lose in Ohio for a few simple reasons:

1. Republicans/conservatives are always silent. They aren't being the squeaky wheel about what amounts to misconduct in office. For example, we should have given Taft the Gub'nr Gray Davis treatment years ago, but we haven't done anything. So our elected officials think it's okay to slight those of us who voted for them, because no one makes any noise.

2. There are many ignorant people in this state - especially in the metro areas. People don't bother to educate themselves about anything, and vote for others based on whether they like their name, or because they're attractive.

3. We've compartmentalized and labeled different sects of the population, thereby limiting the inclusion of voters who otherwise would have become involved in the party. For example, if you're black, you have to be a Democrat. If you're an environmentalist, you're with the Green party. If you're in business, you have to be a Republican. And so on. Even though these stereotypes are not always true, we've excluded many different kinds of people from several parties because the main two - R's and D's - are not inclusive. There's no one out there selling the idea of conservatism or liberalism (if that's your thing) to us. Say what you want about Robert Butler, but I sure do admire the way he spreads the word about the LP.

 
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2005, 04:01:26 PM »
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I should just like to point out that a rough measure of party strength from the recent primary election involves counting up all the city council votes together and then dividing those votes by the candidate's party. (This is an elaboration of my comments online from last week, which I know some of you have already read.) By this reckoning, the three Democratic incumbents garnered roughly 58 percent of the votes cast, while the five Republican challengers managed 42 percent.

Although the primary was non-partisan, the fact that more than three Republicans filed made the election appear to be like a contested Republican primary. Now, considering that a contested primary should bring proportionally more Republican voters to the polls (since Democrats already have their three candidates and would, therefore, have less interest in the primary), the fact that the Democrats ended up 16 points ahead is a very bad sign. It indicates that Democrats appear to have a large, natural majority in the City of Columbus.

It can be argued that, as only about 16 percent of registered voters showed up, perhaps the results do not represent the true breakdown of the Columbus electorate. I suspect, however, that a larger turnout would only demonstrate even greater Democratic party suppport, both because of the lack of any "contested" races among Democrats and because higher urban turnout (which one expects to see in a general election) traditionally results in higher Democratic vote tallies.

What does this mean for Republican candidates for Columbus city council? It means that the campaign will be a massive uphill struggle that will require strong, anti-incumbent sentiment within the city in order to ensure success. Years of party neglect have left the city with too small a Republican base to mount successful campaigns without there being help from general voter anger with incumbents. Only if such anger exists in a significant way, and only if Republican candidates can tap into that anger, will the GOP be able to regain any seats on city council.  
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2005, 07:01:47 PM »
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In my opinion, the correct Republican political strategy in the city of Columbus is to get enough signatures on a petition to change the representation of the city from "at-large" representation to area representation, so that the Northern suburbs have a shot of getting at least one seat. With "at-large" representation, we'll always wind up with 7 city council members that walk alike, talk alike and vote alike.

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« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2005, 07:43:51 AM »
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Marc,

I believe that Cincinnati was going throught the same turmoil with wanting to eliminate the "at-large" status. If you paid attention to the bush/kerry bumper stickers in the outter areas of Columbus proper there were plenty of conservatives. I agree that establishing the "ward system" would permanently change the face of Columbus politics and bring about what more of the majority of the citizens really want their city to be about.

Jensta,

I believe some time ago there was a mention of the "Gray Davis Option" for Gov Taft and it was brought to my attention that option isn't afforded to us within the Ohio Constitution. There are plenty of black Republicans that surround us. The only problem is they are "closet Republicans" due to the fact that they have a tendency to play along with their Democrat counterparts so they aren't drummed out of their community.

There is a larger part of the urban community that is "educated" the "uneducated" are prepared to scream louder to keep their "freebes" coming. Unfortunately the uneducated have been conditioned to being dependant on the government to tell them what they are to do next or what they are to need next. The problem is this state of mind has been brought on by our Democrat/Liberal/Marxist/Communist counterparts on the other side of the isle.

If you have spent any time talking with these folks you will find the Democrat/Liberal/Marxist/Communist really do not represent their political views; once again they do not want to be drummed out of the communities they have spent a better part of their natural life in. We should be exposing the nerve center of what these supposed "democrats" are truely about. Yet still at the same time we as Republicans need to clean our own house of the RINOS before we are ready to clean the other side the isle's house.

I don't know about the rest of you it appears as though King George we had so many issues with while he was govenor has finally shown his true face during the confirmation of John Bolton for his post to the UN. Once again our Democrat/Liberal/Marxist/Communist counterparts want their verison of UN reform, which unfortunately includes our annual income to be more in line with the typical 3rd world income of $5,000 per annum.

 
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« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2005, 06:41:03 PM »
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Hear, hear.  Columbus definitely needs to elect by wards!  And rationally drawn wards!

Maybe this would be a good issue for Republicans to get excited about and put an initiative on the ballot.  Have the wards drawn up to logically represent neighborhoods by retired judges like Arnold wants to do in Cal-ee-forn-ya.
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