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Topic: Why did Franklin County go Blue?  (Read 1297 times)
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« on: November 10, 2005, 08:23:59 PM »
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Why did Franklin County go Blue?

Thank God Issues 2 thru 5 went down, but I will observe that Franklin County went to John Kerry in ’04.  Put this with a Democratic controlled City Council and lets not forget about Mike Coleman.  

Here is my concern or query.  The GOP held the mayors seat in this town 27 years.  But the good old days of Buck Rhinehart and Lashutka are long gone.  In his first election Coleman faced Dorothy Teater who imploded on the Northland Mall issue and otherwise lacked … polish.  Most recently Coleman ran unopposed.  

Did the well go dry for the GOP in this town?  Why does the GOP have such a thin bench?  Did they all simply choose state office?  Was there a demographic shift in the county that I didn’t notice?

What about foreign immigrants?  I know Franklin now has more than it did.   English as a Second Language classes have gone thru the roof in Westerville.  I expect it’s the same elsewhere.  

Other factors?  What do you think?
 
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2005, 11:50:39 PM »
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:unsure: I've wondered too why Franklin County has gone "Blue".40,000 plus Kerryistas in the last election cycle has shown that Central Ohio has gone to the Dark Side of the political force.I think the main stimulation for this is the large number of governmnt employees located here.Ohio has 100,000 state employees..a good many located here in Columbus.OSU with its 40,000 employees and all those tenured liberal professors....these people represent a population that truely does NOT understand money and economics.They believe governmnet can be THE solution to many of society's problems.They would never agree with "Ronaldus Maximus"(former Prez Reagan) that govmnt is NOT the solution to the problem...they are the problem.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2005, 12:57:06 AM »
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Well, Delaware County is one of the fastest growing counties in the US.  I suspect it is flight from Franklin County.  

Think back about 14 years ago.  Somalia was even worse than usual.  Someone in the newly installed Clinton State Dept looked at the map and asked them self, "Onto what Republican stronghold can I drop this demographic time bomb?"  Now we have a ton of unskilled, third world primitives, many of whom follow that pervert Mohammed....

I can't stand it.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2005, 08:42:32 AM »
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Your comments are dead on.  Somalli's are a growing population in Franklin County.  Come to think of it, I know a couple people who sold homes to get away from the "problem".  They live just north of Polaris now, in Delaware County.
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John-O.....most excellent observation.Bill Clinton...train wreck on America... would do that too.Flight out of the County is leaving Columbus to be come the "New Fallujah"...the new New Orleans.....a city dependant on the Government dole out.Lets not forget the people that have left central Ohio that are leaving OHIO for environs less taxed and less regulated....where you can smoke a cigarette in a restraunt without the Democrat Fascists gettin all stirred up.

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Ohio that are leaving OHIO for environs less taxed and less regulated
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Big time urban flight.  The Republicans are definitely abandoning the city, and I don't blame them.

The surprising thing is that Columbus still continues growing.
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The link should explain it.  Minority (i.e., Democratic) populations are growing.  When you add the University district and the yuppies (i.e., Kerry voters) to the equation, it's pretty obvious why Franklin county has become a Democrat bastion.

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What is not so obvious is why the Republican Party simply gives up on these areas. What is it makes the (new) Franklin County Demographic a lock for the Democrats. For example, African Americans vote overwhelmingly democratic and have done so for decades, however, as Al Sharpton is quick to point out, the Democrats haven't done much for African Americans over the years. Why do we not even contest for these votes?

What is clear is that the Franklin County Republican Party has given up on Columbus. This year's city council candidates, Phil Harmon, Alicia Clarke and Eddie Pauline were the strongest we've seen in a while, however, the party chose to not fund their efforts in any meaningful way.

I was really impressed listening to these three candidates speak at the Clintonville Republican Club in October. In particular, Alicia Clarke was a most impressive candidate with tons of ideas for improving Columbus. Did we see these candidates on TV? Other than Phil Harmon, were they on the radio? Did anyone see direct mail from these folks? No, and the reason why is that they were not funded and the reason they were not funded was because the party has given up on the city and yet, the city is exactly where the GOP stands to make the most inroads (we already own the suburbs).

 
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I agree with Marc...and it is worse than he lets on.  With all of the Republicans in the statehouse and all of its executive offices, you would think one of them would lend a hand to those trying to get into City Hall.

And that's the problem...most of them are just as liberal as their opponents.

We need to clean house...literally...statewide...then county...then city.
 
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Ok I can dig that idea Mr. Blair whom do be start with? We have a good start with Mr Mitchell.
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Marc,

The Democrats own the Black vote and have done so for at least 50 years.  If you disagree just look at what happens to successful conservative African Americans- Steele(candidate for Senate), Clarence Thomas, and Janice Rogers Brown.  In a nutshell they are ostrasized.

Sharpton is right, they've got nothing to show for it, but that is the way it is.  I don't really see this changing.

Regardless, its only 18 percent of the population and an even a smaller percentage of the voting public.  

I will point out that Phil Harmon was not endorsed by either Party.  At least he wasn't on the campaign literature with party endorsements.  Yet, surprisingly, he was the most effective of the three you mentioned as far as name recognition and getting the word out.  

Your comments on money and financial backing seem right on target.

To borrow an idea from Phil- local tv coverage doesn't care about local candidacy unless it involves scandal.    
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I agree with Marc...and it is worse than he lets on.  With all of the Republicans in the statehouse and all of its executive offices, you would think one of them would lend a hand to those trying to get into City Hall.

And that's the problem...most of them are just as liberal as their opponents.

We need to clean house...literally...statewide...then county...then city.
I have to admit you are right about lending a hand.  I didn't see Blackwell or Petro make one campaign stop, let alone fund raiser for the GOP City Council candidates.  

As far a cleaning house.  Sounds good..., I will admit Taft has his share of problems, but you know what they say about the Devil you know (he's better than the Devil you don't.)

We don't have the bench strength to put one Republican on Council.  I don't know where we would get it to clean house statewide.

The Democratic machine is definitely the one in power now, at least in Columbus.

Bottom line,unless the GOP can make the necessary in roads- with Taft's problems- we could be looking at a Democratic governor soon.  And that is something I have a real problem with.
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Atreides:

Sharpton is right, they've got nothing to show for it, but that is the way it is. I don't really see this changing.

-----> And isn't that the problem - no one sees it changing and so we just give up. How about we start by answering the following questions:

1) Why does this demographic flock to the Democratic Party, especially when decades of support have gotten them nowhere.

2) What policies or initiatives have been introduced in Columbus over the last 5 years that have provided tangible benefits for the African American demographic.

3) Why can't we play in the idealogical arena. For example, our system is rigged to keep those who are in poverty, in poverty. The simplest, easiest thing we can do is to allow private accounts in social security. This would guarantee (if fully privatized) that every worker who makes minimum wage get at least about a quarter of a million dollars to retire on and pass on to the next generation. Democrats counted on the fact that Americans, in general, would not take the time to run the numbers and forced Republicans to withdraw the plan. The biggest beneficiary of private accounts would have been low and middle class income workers. Why could the GOP not make this case, or the case for low taxes, or the case for less government, or the case for decreased dependence on foreign oil, or the case for dealing with illegal immigration, and on and on.

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I will point out that Phil Harmon was not endorsed by either Party. At least he wasn't on the campaign literature with party endorsements. Yet, surprisingly, he was the most effective of the three you mentioned as far as name recognition and getting the word out.

------> Phil's name recognition came from the fact that he led several efforts before the city council race. It has never been clear to me why the party refused to endorse him, however, to their credit, Eddie Pauline and Alicia Clarke ran with Phil as a ticket and ignored whatever feud existed between Phil and the party, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

Every two years, the Franklin County GOP puts up sacrifical lambs for Columbus Board of Ed and Columbus City Council and other city-wide races. Someone has made a determination that these races are no longer winnable and it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. What Columbus grass roots Republicans need to think about is whether it needs to be this way and whether you want to change it.

That's right: whether *you* want to change it. The filing deadline for running for the Franklin County Republican Party Central Committee is only 3 months away, and this is where these policies are set.  
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I remember when we first met John Mitchell (before the CTH meeting) someone mentioned that the only way anything would change was to start w/the Central Committee.
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I don't need nobody to hold my hand, don't need nobody, I can stand. Make it on my own in a Rock-n-Roll band, kiss my ass cuz I'm a American.

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