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[Rather, the data indicate that school staffing problems are primarily due to a “revolving door”—where large numbers of qualified teachers depart their jobs for reasons other than retirement. The data show that the amount of turnover accounted for by retirement is relatively minor when compared to that associated with other factors, such as teacher job dissatisfaction and teachers pursuing other jobs. This report concludes that teacher recruitment programs—traditionally dominant in the policy realm—will not solve the staffing problems of such schools if they do not also address the organizational sources of low teacher retention.]

Marc;

http://www.recruitingteachers.org/channels...eachershort.htm

From: http://depts.washington.edu/ctpmail/PDFs/S...-RI-09-2003.pdf

Contemporary educational thought holds that one of the pivotal causes of inadequate school performance is the inability of schools to adequately staff classrooms with qualified teachers. It is widely believed that schools are plagued by shortages of teachers, primarily due to recent increases in teacher retirements and student enrollments. This report summarizes a series of analyses that have investigated the possibility that there are other factors—tied to the organizational characteristics and conditions of schools—that are behind school staffing problems. The data utilized in this investigation are from the Schools and Staffing Survey and its supplement, the Teacher Followup Survey conducted by the National Center for Education Statistics. These data indicate that school staffing problems are not primarily due to teacher shortages, in the sense of an insufficient supply of qualified teachers. Rather, the data indicate that school staffing problems are primarily due to a “revolving door”—where large numbers of qualified teachers depart their jobs for reasons other than retirement. The data show that the amount of turnover accounted for by retirement is relatively minor when compared to that associated with other factors, such as teacher job dissatisfaction and teachers pursuing other jobs. This report concludes that teacher recruitment programs—traditionally dominant in the policy realm—will not solve the staffing problems of such schools if they do not also address the organizational sources of low teacher retention.
 Emphasis added

If you look at my postings both entry and retention are important.  Teachers will migrate to other jobs and to districts with better conditions. I was told (unverified) that teachers left Worthington for Olentangy when cuts were imminent and that district gave them 10 years seniority.

or read this http://www.capenet.org/pdf/IP-teach.pdf

You are looking at a snapshot in time.  However the business of education is a long term deal that requires stability and can't be operated by the "seat of the pants".

The Shadow knows :ph34r:  

I was told (unverified) that teachers left Worthington for Olentangy when cuts were imminent and that district gave them 10 years seniority.

Just wanted to interject that it is possible that those teachers who were allegedly given 10 years seniority could possibly have had more than 10 years in the system, thereby probably taking a paycut to teach in what they may perceive to be a better district.  I believe it is standard practice for districts to offer up to 10 years of seniority for transferring teachers.  If they offer more it's unusual and indicative of a desparate district trying to fill undesireable vacancies.

Just wanted to interject that it is possible that those teachers who were allegedly given 10 years seniority could possibly have had more than 10 years in the system, thereby probably taking a paycut to teach in what they may perceive to be a better district.  I believe it is standard practice for districts to offer up to 10 years of seniority for transferring teachers.  If they offer more it's unusual and indicative of a desparate district trying to fill undesireable vacancies.

PI:

Possible,  but unlikely considering that any RIF's would result in the teachers with the lowest seniority getting cut. Also, Shadow's comment hints of a sense of urgency that would not have existed. At the time of Worthington's last reductions, the teachers union contract contained a clause that granted teachers 1 year of severence (no typo - that's a full year) in the event of a RIF. It is possible, but very unlikely, that someone would have taken a pay cut under these circumstances.

 

Marc,
I tried to go back and reference Shadow's post again (the one I quoted from) to see if he was referring to teachers who HAD been RIF'd or those who went in search of a new job just to leave the district, but I can't find the post now.  Was it removed/deleted or am I just blind?

Anyway, what I was trying to point out is that you are correct that it doesn't take big salaries and big benefits packages to pull in teachers to your district.  I don't think districts just GIVE years of seniority away.

For example, a first year teacher in danger of being RIF'd wouldn't be offered 10 years of seniority in another district to go work there.  Those years of seniority are usually offered to those teachers who apply and HAVE those years of service already in.  When I move to a new district next year I'm going to want to take all my years of experience with me when it comes to salary.  I don't want to start over at a first year salary.  Also, once a teacher reaches the 10 year mark they are probably more likely to not switch districts because they might lose years of seniority because of the "10 year limit".

I'm rambling again.  Do you see my point in all of that?

While it's really good there's a dialogue taking place here I believe we should think about the title of this thread.

Do Worthington Schools really need another levy and if so for what purpose? While it's important to remember the students and taxpayers should be priority one unfortunately the reality is that the certified teaching staff's salaries have become that the main priority.

The taxpayers of Worthington Schools sent a 16% message of "no way in hell" to the school board and the district's certified staff. It's already been well established the rate of Worthington's certified staffs raise in the last alleged negioated contract is nearly double that of what the typical taxpayer receives which in case anyone forgot it's 5.43% for the next 3 years.

While I understand it's important for everyone to have health insurance there certainly is no obvious guilt from the WEA or the school board who negoiated the last contract of which was qouted that Worthington Schools is picking up 90% of the cost per certified employee's health care. Now we learn there is 1 years automatic severance when a certified staff member transfers, not that they are looking for work since the transfer idea is that they're merely going from one school district to another.

On a slightly related subject did anyone notice that the union representing the Delphi workers received permission from it's members to strike while they're trying to re-negoiate their contract? Keep in mind that Delphi striking not only affects GM it affects International Harvester who buys all their parts from Delphi.
Remember if the UAW walks off the job it'll be the beginning of the end for US automakers as we know it.

The same goes for those union members within the airline industry threatening to strike because the company was honest with the employees that a lack of salary give back will result in various company's shuttering their doors.

You ask what is the point?

What in the hell is going on with this sense of entitlement on the parts of the unions in our country? What good is it to strike knowing the company will go under therefore you haven't a job to return to, sure hope that walk to the picker line was worth not having a job period.

The reality is the company's &  taxpayers have finally looked at their checkbook & realized that if they're going to survive financially things need to change in order for them to be open for the long term. Yes there are communities passing levies and obviously they've a different relationship with their school boards & unions.

What we need to remember here is that we are dealing specifically with Worthington who has had a declining enrollement and yet who's spending is out of control. Dr. Bob Horton also let the community know that even with declining enrollement & taxes coming in the school district has been poor stewards of the Worthington taxpayer's money. Never mind the fact the school board literally let the WEA write their own contract.

Shadow knew the answer left in regards to "full context" was full of holes and yet he's actually believing his own crap.

Repackage this levy for November however you want, it still stinks like the last one. Till their is full transparent accountability on the part of the school district who will actually negoiate a contract instead of the WEA writing their own, there will continued opposition to passing levy's in a school district that once was a shining example of academic excellence. Which means this will take taxpayers looking at the union member's & their presidents serving notice the days of telling the school district how life is going to be has ended.

If there are those certified staff members ready to walk because of this that's fine I'm sure there are plenty of truely hungry talented certified teachers willing to accept what Worthington's teacher have turned their noses up at.

Why stay in a school district with declining enrollment that let's the unions have control of the district's coffers when you simply need to step in Dublin, Olentangy Local, Hilliard or Westerville to find an exploding academic future that knows no bounds.

It's wake up time and that the taxpayers take back school board seats from the pretenders and union stooges willing to give what ever the union demands.
   

Now we learn there is 1 years automatic severance when a certified staff member transfers, not that they are looking for work since the transfer idea is that they're merely going from one school district to another.

 

PI:

Shadow said this:

Teachers will migrate to other jobs and to districts with better conditions. I was told (unverified) that teachers left Worthington for Olentangy when cuts were imminent and that district gave them 10 years seniority.

Which, if it happened at all did not happen in large numbers. Statements like this are totally irrational when there is a glut of teachers on the market. I hate to be so blunt, but facts are facts. I don't see, for example, hundreds of teachers voluntarily leaving Columbus or Southwestern public schools and they are RIFing like crazy.

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Worthington's 1 year severance policy expired in August, 2005. We don't do that anymore. Now, we just give eligible teachers $40,000 to leave when they become to expensive.


 

Well once again Shadow's fellow 21st district former democratic candidate Jean Ackerman has brought to light another issue.

It was also brought to my attention that Dr. Ottolenghi was tell our senior citizens to just take out a reverse mortgage on their homes to pay the school tax.
Jean Ackerman May 24th, 2006 SNP Worthington News

Wow what an excellent idea Dr. Otto and perhaps if the previous Worthington School Board wasn't so indebted to the WEA the last contract would have been very different indeed.

I also noticed today that it would appear as though some of the school board members are having such a rough go of it that they've turned to having some of their relatives writing the local papers so the taxpayers would feel sorry for them. I guess if you can't handle the heat it's time to remove yourself from your seat.

What's really sad is that Melissa Conrath, the school board and the unions know what must happen. It's time programs for the school district aren't cut. It's time to take the excess back that've been handed out. The larger question is who'll blink first?
 

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What  Ackerman wrote is a LIE.  The Shadow knows where she got it from.

The Shadow knows :ph34r:  

Appeared in Feb 2005 (part of a total discussion)

Property taxes present a problem for seniors on fixed income, or as is the case for many Ohioans, individuals who have lost their jobs.  Professor Brunori  points out that 24 states and the District of Columbia make use of  tax deferral programs.  Tax deferrals program have an advantage over the type of  property tax relief (the homestead exemption) that is now available in Ohio.  The Ohio program puts the load of the program on the State's general fund, while deferral programs, after a transition period, can be self-sustaining.

If one looks at what has been done in other states, there are variations in amount and eligibility requirements, but in general the programs treat tax deferrals as liens on the property to be paid upon transfer.   States charge different levels of interest for the deferral.  The state would (as it does now for the homestead exemption) reimburse the subdivisions and at the time of transfer of the property collect the moneys due.

There is a big (thousands of dollars) difference between this and a reverse mortgage but Ackerman and whoever told her are not smart enough to see the difference.  However why would 24 other states use this idea if it is so bad?


The Shadow knows :ph34r:  

What discussion was this??? Who else was in attendance??? We need more information other than an out-of-context quote.

Just explain to us what really happened when your alleged to have made this statement.

I find it extremely humorous that the dems are eatting their own for no apparent reason whatsoever, what happened to party unity? Jean Ackerman still doesn't come off as a very sensible or personable individual from the way her letters read.