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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« on: January 25, 2006, 10:22:28 PM »
SchoolTeacher
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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
Wednesday, January 25, 2006
Fairfield Christian Church deserves an audit by the Internal Revenue Service. We should ask that any other church that had a presidential candidate speak at the church or any other politician speak since the days of the civil-rights movement be added to that list.
The nonprofit status of all churches should be revoked. It’s time to level the playing field.
DAN MEYERSBURG
Powell
http://www.dispatch.com/editorials-story.p...0125-A8-10.html
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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2006, 10:31:46 PM »
Michael Howard
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we must NEVER allow that to happen- our country is founded on religious values and should not be subjected to taxation. it is critical that they are able to survive and remain nonprofit.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2006, 12:18:50 AM »
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This letter makes no sense. This man sounds like he wants to put restrictions on churches, but apparently he doesn't realize that revoking non-profit status actually increases their freedom. Churches would be more able and more likely to be partisan if they were incorporated as for-profit. If they were for-profit they could say whatever they want. I know of at least one church in Columbus that pays taxes and is for-profit with the IRS. They're partisan with the Constitution Party.
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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2006, 10:18:54 AM »
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If these churches are supposed to be non-profit then the politicans wouldn't be speaking there to start with. What's good for one church is good for all churches.
If you think about it have we really seen actions from these churches that show they really abide by the non-profit rules let alone the true seperation of church & state?
Mayor Coleman actively participates in securing funding for certain churches to be built "within what is his vision for the city of Columbus"; how do these churches keep their non-profit status? There are other churches some of which signed on the letter to the IRS who actively participate in anti-war demonstrations and yet at the same time actively back liberal candidates.
This man sounds like he wants to put restrictions on churches, but apparently he doesn't realize that revoking non-profit status actually increases their freedom.
This is the land of freedom why shouldn't our churches excercise thier freedom?
we must NEVER allow that to happen- our country is founded on religious values and should not be subjected to taxation. it is critical that they are able to survive and remain nonprofit.
It seems as though the recognition of america being founded on religious values is a convenient crutch. Why is it that when the victims of the priests who have sexually violated aren't allowed recourse? These same churches paricipated in covering up the activities of these priests, yet at the same time are these the actions of a non-profit organization? I will also point out that of these same churches have an well documented past of aiding the escape of Nazis after WWII to help them avoid justice for their crimes against the Jews.
Your telling me that such a criminal in nature organization really needs a non-profit status? These are the same churches who cry "we won't have any money if the victims of the priests have their day in court to receive justice" do they really need a non-profit status? Now we are at the "do as I say not as I do" routine; these people are called hypocrites and they don't care who gets hurt as long as in the end they get what they want. It's not about what would Jesus do, it's about what does the almighty dollar decide that we will do?
I'm all for religion as much as anyone else however there is one hell of a difference here. These churches are the last positions of the liberal power base. Since these liberals haven't succeded in winning elections the old fashion way by earning it they've turned litigation in an effort to win, which they failed at miserably.
These are the same individuals who tried to ram Issues 2,3,4 & 5 down our throats to again try to win elections in an dishonest way.
If your really a non-profit church then talk about your higher power that is worshipped, once you leave that church what you discuss is a different issue all together different.
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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2006, 01:18:23 PM »
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Tweet,
Once again, you've succeeded in getting this all backwards.
The guy from Powell in AdamSmith's post is complaining about Fairfield Church. They have been campaigning for Ken Blackwell. They aren't a liberal power center, Here's the quote from the paper:
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The Rev. Rod Parsley of World Harvest Church in Columbus and the Rev. Russell Johnson of Fairfield Christian Church in Lancaster improperly used their churches and affiliated entities for partisan politics, according to the complaint to be faxed to IRS Commissioner Mark Everson...
The complaint alleges that Blackwell was the only gubernatorial candidate showcased in church-sponsored events conducted by Parsley and Johnson. It also alleges that the evangelists' voter-registration campaign was done to support Blackwell and "biased" voter education materials were distributed by the churches for Blackwell's candidacy...
The problem is that there are both liberal and conservative churches who use their tax-free status to allow their contributors to make tax deductions but are financing political campaigns.
Some churches do it for Democrats and some for Republicans, and it isn't right for them to be claiming tax exempt status and engage in politicking.
I'm all in favor of keeping churches tax exempt, but they shouldn't use their status as a political campaign finance loop-hole.
Of course, none of us would have to worry about loop-holes if they just eliminated campaign finance laws all together, which is what really needs to be done.
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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2006, 02:57:42 PM »
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If I may direct your attention to page A4 in today's edition of the Columbus Dispatch under Reader Information almost at the bottom there is a section that reads
CORRECTIONS
if you look closely in the 2nd item of the day it reads as follows;
A letter to the editor from Dan Meyersburg on page A8 of Wednesday's Dispatch should have stated "If World Harvest Church and Fairfield Christian Church deserve to be audited by the Internal Revenue Service, the other churches that have hosted politicians should be audited as well". Because of an editor's error, the letter indicated otherwise.
So this is how that letter should have run..........
If World Harvest Church and Fairfield Christian Church deserve to be audited by the Internal Revenue Service, the other churches that have hosted politicians should be audited as well.
We should ask that any other church that had a presidential candidate speak at the church or any other politician speak since the days of the civil-rights movement be added to that list.
The nonprofit status of all churches should be revoked. It’s time to level the playing field.
DAN MEYERSBURG
Powell
Which bring us to how whether or not this was a deliberate act on the Dispatch's part goes to show how our print media ends up not completely telling the truth.
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I don't need John Kerry or big brother to wipe my ass, don't need Ted Kennedy to spill my glass, Al Not So Sharpton is a racist lying horses ass, Redistribution is a fkn laugh, the whole damn world can kiss my a**.
I don't need nobody to hold my hand, don't need nobody, I can stand. Make it on my own in a Rock-n-Roll band, kiss my ass cuz I'm a American.
Ya say you're friends with Michael Moore. Then you are friends with pimps & whores, The 2nd Amendment aint about no sport, no ri
Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2006, 03:45:56 PM »
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Well, that certainly changes things. Sounds like the Dispatch did a real hatchet job on that letter. I would imagine that you will continue to see such lopsided antics on their part.
Either way, the fact remains that both Liberal and Conservative churches are clearly abusing their tax exempt status and should cease and desist. Either that, or lift the regulations on everyone.
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In Liberty,
Robert Butler
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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2006, 03:49:20 PM »
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I'm sure the person who wrote the letter probably thought the exact same thing which is probably the reason the was a correction.
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I don't need John Kerry or big brother to wipe my ass, don't need Ted Kennedy to spill my glass, Al Not So Sharpton is a racist lying horses ass, Redistribution is a fkn laugh, the whole damn world can kiss my a**.
I don't need nobody to hold my hand, don't need nobody, I can stand. Make it on my own in a Rock-n-Roll band, kiss my ass cuz I'm a American.
Ya say you're friends with Michael Moore. Then you are friends with pimps & whores, The 2nd Amendment aint about no sport, no ri
Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2006, 10:51:07 PM »
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Let’s end nonprofit status for all churches
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2006, 11:13:20 PM »
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mammaryengineer where the hell have you been? Long time no hear from. Glad to see you back.
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