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The 912 Project - Glenn Beck

912 Group of Central Ohio

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It's On!  The two dem's now have up and running websites.

http://deanhernandezforohio.com/
http://www.jeanforohio.com/

Paraphrasing Ross Perot, I think I hear a giant sucking sound as my tax dollars are vacuumed up.

Taavi    

Taavi:

I think I hear a giant sucking sound as my tax dollars are vacuumed up.

:rolleyes:

But maybe, just maybe they won't go to the likes of Noe.  Or to charter schools to make Brennan rich and keep a lot of Ohioans poor.  And maybe to help the needy rather than cutting their help while expounding on "family values.   And maybe Ohio's downward spiral will be reversed  

The Shadow knows :ph34r:  

Hummmm I think I'm with Taavi on this one... Before long, I'm going to be taxed out of Ohio.... No crying Shadow...  

I love it when Shadow makes my day, Mr. Do as I say not as I do....lmao

The only people in the world who are allowed to make any real money are the liberal/marxists. All of these liberals (pelosi no unions working for me, schumer's plumbers trying to keep the brother steele down, the clintons stuffing their pockets all the way to the bank you know Hilliary still never gave her money back on that book deal like Newet G. did and last but not least hollywood who makes a majority of their films out of country and never gives more money to charity than what will buy a happy meal) who want us to do one thing yet it's never good enough for them to follow their own words of advice.

The unions are having a fit because they know these charter schools aren't a breeding ground for liberal lies & bs. Control of state education (which was taken away by good ole LBJ) and has not helped anyone except the teacher's unions screw those who don't believe in the liberal lies.

Wow what a shame that one man had a vision and took the risk to start schools that the taxpayers really wanted. Hell no Shadow doesn't want school vouchers becasue the taxpayers who vote with their placing their students in these charter schools so they really learn something (typically 2 levels of higher learning than those in a union run public school) are also indicting the lack of true education these union teachers give the students.  

A funny conversation happened today when I stopped to visit one of my firefighter friends, he was relating to me working additional OT to make sure his kids sat in a private school since the union teachers (whom he said gives REAL unions a bad name) couldn't teach well enough to keep his kid's attention to receive a real education instead of the political bs the kids brought home.

Spin this however you want Dr. Otto Marxist and you can report back to your masters that even those within the firefighter's union know the real education their kids are missing out on.

Keep raising those property taxes and when Worthington starts looking like Columbus Public Schools you and the teacher's union will only have yourselves to blame. Then when those teaching positions are eliminated (the teachers are fired) who will you blame then??? You can only bully the homeowners & businesses for so long before you'll pay the price and then when downtown & old Worthington (what used to be pristine) looks like the slums of Columbus I hope all of this bs was well worth it because then the future of Worthington doesn't exist.

Shadow is so full of his own bs becuase he doesn't know the truth.

 

Taavi: It is so nice to see you back. I've missed you.

Ackerman and Hernandez are both campaigning on an education platform, said platform can be summed up with the following sentence:

Fix School Funding by increasing the income tax or state sales tax to give more money to school districts.

The question for our two candidates is: How much of that money would flow back to Worthington and Westerville.

Since Worthington and Westerville are high wealth districts, the answer would be - very little, so the Worthington and Westerville taxpayers would be provided, should the Democrats ever get their way, of the honor of paying higher state taxes to pay for everyone else's school district and, at least in Worthington, property tax increases of greater than 10%, every other year, forever (at least according to our district treasurer).

The result of higher taxes in Ohio would be less business remaining in the state, so the people who continue to stay here would be required to pay still higher taxes, resulting in an more people leaving and perpetuating an economic death spiral.

Don't believe it? Call Jean or Dean. Ask them, specifically, if they were G-d, what they would do to fix school funding in the state.


 

MarcSchare

While I understand the Shadow's point, there are greedy and dishonest Republicans [although one should be careful about the stones one throws], his post does not address how the two dem's would fix the problem.  For all the dislike of Reidelbach, no one could accuse her of being in with the likes of Noe or Abramoff so I don't buy the attempt to tarnish a whole party with the actions of a few. The question becomes what would the Dem's do, or the Republican nominee.

Ackerman seems to think that opposing a levy and shutting down charters is the way to go, maybe her tortured logic is that if enough levies fail it will force the legislature to do something.  That her ed. organization endorsed her and thus her viewpoint seems the apex of stupidity. That something remains ill-defined but assuredly includes the Robin Hood principle of school funding. In the meanwhile, schools cut, kids get hurt and nothing is likely to be accomplished.

Hernandez I just don't know enough about, his website reminds of the one Betty Montgomery had when she was running for governor, it said absolutely nothing. I have to believe that Hernandez is being intentionally vague about this, what is the upside to him being specific? Ackerman promises us massive taxes, Hernandez promises nothing yet. I would think that Hernandez has the upper hand in the primary although his has been a strangely low-key campaign so maybe he'll not win. Nothing like being wishy-washy eh?  

Taavi    

Or to charter schools to make Brennan rich and keep a lot of Ohioans poor.

I couldn't care less if he makes a few bucks off his charter schools - as long as he's getting results and educating the kids.  Why can't school districts do what he's doing (turn a profit AND educate kids)??  Why's it so hard???

WHAT IF a school board decided not to mess with the union anymore, allowed a strike to occur and then brought in someone like Brennan to make the needed changes???

[eventually]

Taavi:

Right on cue Eh!!  

The greedy and dishonest bit was placed there for that purpose.  Of course there are greedy and dishonest people in all walks of life and in every party.

Going to the education thing.  There is no question that any true school funding reform will include some Robin Hood elements.  The Supreme Court's decision that said that overreliance on the property tax resulted in unconstitutional inequities presaged this.  No matter how it is done unless there is redistribution (and I always said this) there will be no fix.  Poor districts are poor in every respect whether it is income or property.  That is why the "solutions" offered by the Republicans so far are no solutions for the statewide problem.

The question then is whether a holistic solution that gives sufficient funds to all districts in Ohio is the best way to take Ohio out of what Marc correctly calls an economic death spiral.  If this is the case the Worthingtons etc. will eventually also benefit, otherwise we all go down together.

We are at a point where the people of Ohio (and their representatives) have to decide whether to invest  in an investment that might take some time  to reverse the downturn.

From everything I have read, the availability of an educated and well prepared work force is an incentive for companies to locate there.  By neglecting its educational system at all levels Ohio has fallen where it has.  Ohio's "leaders" failed to see what was coming with globalization.  So here we are.

Is a member of the Legislature simply there to minister to the interests of his/her constituents or do we all have overarching common interests that need to be addressed together?


The Shadow knows :ph34r:

 

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

An educated workforce doesn't amount to a hill of beans if the cost of doing business here is too high.  People will move to where the jobs are located...hence the reason why Ohio is a leading exporter of 25 to 35 year olds....

Or to charter schools to make Brennan rich and keep a lot of Ohioans poor

Uh...Brennan did not make his money by financing charter schools.  And...BONUS!...people have jobs because of him.

Before long, I'm going to be taxed out of Ohio....

March 1 = me----> no longer Ohio resident.  Non-competitive jobs.  Taxes too high.

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Hmmm....Brennan multi-millionaire (I assume conservative/libertarian)= bad for the country.

George Soros (radical liberal), billionaire= good for the country.

I understand the logic now!

Shadow

The School funding issue has been bled to death in other forums, notably the one dealing with Worthington's levy. My point in starting this topic was to look at what is being proposed by Ackerman, Hernandez and Bacon.  And not just on school funding but on areas such as job development and retention. You'll get no argument from me that there isn't graft on both sides but I don't know that any of three candidates for the 21st can be smeared as greedy or corrupt. I think we need to start looking at their stances. Bacon is remaining reserved, as he should since he is unopposed.

Ackerman has come forth with a fairly detailed, if somewhat kooky, platform which seems to be "Tax me, tax thee and tax the man behind the tree -- Doubly" [sorry Shadow, you will appreciate the inside nature of that statement   ].  To her credit, at least, she is telling you that she plans on raising your taxes significantly.

Hernandez seems to have taken the road well-traveled by stating his position in generalities that could mean anything to anyone. For example, Dean's website states "The Ohio job market has changed drastically from 2000. Dean Hernandez proposes that lawmakers work with the universities and businesses to keep young talent in Ohio. Manufacturing jobs are being exported at a rapid rate, from July 2000 through October 2003 179,600 manufacturing jobs were lost. With Dean's vision for Ohio, we will help those who have been put out of work and those entering the job market find jobs with good wages and good benefits. Encouraging businesses to invest in Ohio through tax incentives and offering a well-educated workforce will stimulate our economy."

Can anyone tell me what the hell Dean's vision is?  Anyone tell me from this what he proposes? Anyone?  So the dem's have two choices -- the taxes they know from Ackerman or the taxes they don't know from Hernandez.

Taavi    

[bipartisan]

I have to believe that Hernandez is being intentionally vague about this, what is the upside to him being specific?

What led you to believe he was intentionally being vague? Perhaps an email to the candidate outlining your concerns and he could shock you with a detailed answer.

I couldn't care less if he makes a few bucks off his charter schools - as long as he's getting results and educating the kids. Why can't school districts do what he's doing (turn a profit AND educate kids)?? Why's it so hard???

That would be too easy and then the unions would loose their influence in spewing their bs in the classrooms.

WHAT IF a school board decided not to mess with the union anymore, allowed a strike to occur and then brought in someone like Brennan to make the needed changes???

Well after quite a few different conversations within the Worthington school district I can tell you that neither that the majority (hence not including Marc Schare) of the Worthington Board of Education and the community don't have the stones to go head to head with the WEA, which is why there are new levys ending up on the ballot with higher & higher millage. Not to mention the lack of financial responsibility that has been demonstrated by many different Worthington Boards of Education.

There is nothing wrong with fair raises, 4.53% is more than the teachers in Olentangy Local Schools received with the same 23 of 23 report card. So now the homeowners and business people have to ask themselves (as G3 obviously did) is this all really worth it? This result is a bipartisan result of neither party taking a sincere interest in doing what is in the best interest of the state's economy.

Taavi:

My point in starting this topic was to look at what is being proposed by Ackerman, Hernandez and Bacon. And not just on school funding but on areas such as job development and retention.

Fair enough.  

To her credit, at least, she is telling you that she plans on raising your taxes significantly.

I don't think it is fair to say that since Ackerman suggests a shift from local to state taxes.  It will raise them for some people and decrease them for others.

Encouraging businesses to invest in Ohio through tax incentives and offering a well-educated workforce will stimulate our economy."

That from Hernandez's web site seems to offer a vision although how to get there is not clear.  Of course a "well educated work force" implies education so there we are back to it.

Actually the less they say the better for the Nov. election since they do not want to give Bacon anything to play with  (spin).  

But Taavi.  You really do not have to concern yourself as to what Ackerman or Hernandez say during the primary unless you plan to declare D and vote in the primary :lol: .   And, that goes for the rest of the Rs here. :lol:

Of course Bacon does not say anything.  During the regular campaign we can expect from him the same verbiage that will come from the those same people that in the last 16 years have allowed this state to get messed up.  Actually for him it will be easy "I'll do as I am told to do by them that fund my campaign"  (not fair of me but fun anyway)  

The Shadow Knows :ph34r:  

Ackerman and Hernandez are both campaigning on an education platform, said platform can be summed up with the following sentence:

Fix School Funding by increasing the income tax or state sales tax to give more money to school districts.

 

Lest you think that Columbus Town Hall is not read by the powers that be, I received an email this morning from the Herendeen Ackerman campaign stating, in very strong terms, that Ms. Herendeen Ackerman is not advocating a tax increase of any kind.

Is she a new kind of Democrat? Does she have new, powerful ideas for solving the perpetual school funding crisis in Worthington and throughout the state? Would her campaign join CTH if she prevails in the primary to try and sway the Republican readership?

Since District 21 is one of the few competitive districts statewide, I am hoping that the three candidates treat us all to a campaign about issues and ideas. In the meantime, I told her campaign that I will correct my misstatement of her position on CTH.