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« on: July 29, 2007, 07:26:18 AM »
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Bush Aide Blocked Report
Global Health Draft In 2006 Rejected for Not Being Political




From this morning's Washington Post:

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A surgeon general's report in 2006 that called on Americans to help tackle global health problems has been kept from the public by a Bush political appointee without any background or expertise in medicine or public health, chiefly because the report did not promote the administration's policy accomplishments, according to current and former public health officials.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?hpid=topnews



 
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 01:57:02 PM »
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Scientists are Overwhelmingly Democrats and Independents

New Pew Research Poll indicates only 6% of Scientists identify themselves as Republicans.

Only 9% of Scientists identify themselves as Conservatives.


http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1549

Is there a fundamental division or gap between those with knowledge (scientia) and the proponents of Conservative ideology?
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 06:34:21 PM »
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Scientists are Overwhelmingly Democrats and Independents

New Pew Research Poll indicates only 6% of Scientists identify themselves as Republicans.

Only 9% of Scientists identify themselves as Conservatives.


http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1549

Is there a fundamental division or gap between those with knowledge (scientia) and the proponents of Conservative ideology?


     What is Conservative Ideology, I.S., in your opinion ?  Do we mean the same thing, or not ??  And what fields of knowledge do these scientists occupy by percentage of political affiliation?  Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Geology, Others.......

      What is the relationship between scientific knowledge and political opinions ?? What is the overlap between the knowledge content of the individual scientist's field of specialty and the knowledge required to form the myriad opinions we might call "political". 

    What would Robert Nozick say concerning the relationship between the political opinions of intellectuals and their estimate of the worth of capitalism ??   Is sociology more important in determining political opinions than mere possession of "scientia"??
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Welcome DS  --  Congratulations on your 1st Post of (I hope) many.

You're asking some very serious questions -- I can give only trivial answers. You can press me on this a bit more -- you might be making a good point about science being irrelevant to political issues.

DS asks:  What is Conservative Ideology, I.S., in your opinion ?  Do we mean the same thing, or not ??


I don't know what it is and I'm not even certain what I think it is.
It has evolved greatly over the last 100 years -- I consider myself a conservative in the 19th century tradition. Today, you'd call me a liberal.

The key elements today include for (1) smaller government (2) lower taxes.
Others would emphasize (1) abortion (2) and anti-homosexual legislation.

Whatever it is, scientists seem to reject it.

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DS refers to Robert Nozick

Excellent -- I am very pleased someone would refer to Nozick here -- but its been a long time since I read any of Nozick's stuff
Anarchy, State and Utopia, Philosophical Explanations (?) -- I still love the last chapter of that one  -- A book on The Nature of Rationality that I didn't care for.

But I have no idea what Nozick did or "would have" said concerning the relationship between the political opinions of intellectuals and their estimate of the worth of capitalism ??

This might sound sarcastic but I'm entirely serious -- what do you think he would have said?
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DS perceptively asks: Is sociology more important in determining political opinions than mere possession of "scientia"??

You seem to have some understanding about these things -- I'd like to hear your opinions.

I haven't thought much on any of this. But, I tend to think that our religious and political beliefs are greatly affected or influenced by the environment in which we grow up. Are they "determined" by that environment? Surely, the probability of person born into a Christian environments becoming a Muslim is very small.

Is the sociology of knowledge one of your interests?



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DS asks: What is the relationship between scientific knowledge and political opinions ??

Your question suggests that politics is a matter of opinion. Knowledge is found in other areas. I tend to think there is some truth to this.

We tend to think of some things as being subject to objective criteria. There is little that is objective about political beliefs.

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DS asks:  what fields of knowledge do these scientists occupy by percentage of political affiliation?

I suggest you follow the link provided. Here's one of the tables you'll find there:











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