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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2009, 10:04:51 PM »
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Troy's celebrated solar house left in dark
Facility touted as next big thing still shut
Shawn D. Lewis / The Detroit News
Troy -- It was supposed to be a shining example of the green movement -- a completely independent solar-powered house with no gas or electrical hookups.

Seven months ago, officials gathered for a ribbon-cutting ceremony to celebrate the $900,000 house owned by the city of Troy that was to be used as an educational tool and meeting spot.

But it never opened to the public. And it remains closed.

Frozen pipes during the winter caused $16,000 in damage to floors, and city officials aren't sure when the house at the Troy Community Center will open.

"It's not safe right now, and there's no estimated opening time because it depends on when we can get funding," said Carol Anderson, director of the city's Parks and Recreation Department.

That surprised the Oakland County Planning and Economic Development Department, which advertised tours of the house for its Tuesday Oakland County Green Summit.

"No, I didn't know anything about it," said Steve Huber, spokesman for county planning.

Bret Rasegnan, planning supervisor for the department, said the solar tours have been removed from the finalized agenda for the summit.

"It is disappointing that we can't tour, but the summit will still be of great value. I don't think it's reflective of the technology."

Lawrence Technological University, with help from DTE, mostly paid for the building. Its students built the 800-square-foot home, which was supposed to be livable year-round, free from the grid and churn out enough solar power to support a home-based business and electric vehicle.

So what caused the flood?

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090515/METRO/905150392/1448/LIFESTYLE14/Troy-s-celebrated-solar-house-left-in-dark#
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« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2009, 07:15:07 AM »
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Solar plant flare-up
Neighbors: ‘Clean’ tech’s noise drives them batty
By Christine McConville

A Devens solar panel plant near several Harvard farms is so noisy the horses have ulcers, the ducks have disappeared and a dog has started gnawing off doorknobs, angry neighbors say.

The nonstop noise from Evergreen Solar Inc.’s highly touted plant, which Gov. Deval Patrick has praised as “the leading edge of our clean energy economy,” is driving neighbors crazy and making their animals sick.

“To work in my garden, I have to wear headphones,” said Janice Perry, an acupuncturist whose Harvard farm abuts Evergreen’s new 450,000-square-foot manufacturing plant.

Since January, she and her neighbors have complained about noise coming from the plant, which the Marlboro-based company has said will one day employ 700 people and make 780,000 solar panels a year. The factory stretches the length of three football fields.

The Devens Enterprise Commission, which regulates the plant and other businesses on what used to be Fort Devens, has already slapped the company with two noise ordinance violations.

“This green-energy company has polluted the neighborhood with noise, and it seems not to be working very hard to correct this,” Perry said.

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1176904
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2009, 09:33:51 PM »
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I'm thinking this technology will be obsolete shortly. The new solar energy will actually be single celled organisms living in large pools and are genetically engineered to produce fuel molecules as waste or by-product. As if that is not hard enough, the trick will be to make sure they die if they are ever removed from the artificial environment. I know for a fact this was started when Bush was president, if not earlier...but Obama will borrow more money and claim it was his vision.

I heard there is research to put nano reflecting particles up into the stratosphere to reflect sunlight back into space. Don't solar panels and plants need sunlight? How is it "green" to starve plants from sunlight and how is it "green" to filter CO2 out of the atmosphere to suffocate plants?

And how is it man made climate change if the CO2 was in the atmosphere in the first place before plant life put it underground? The plants took the carbon out of the atmosphere much more than man ever changed anything.

I'm all for solar power technologies. I just don't want to borrow money from unborn generations of the future to pay for this stuff that will need replaced by the time those kids grow old enough to pay taxes. Like why borrow money to repair a road if the road will need repaired again 5 times before the debt is due in 30 years? All these green liars are just stealing money from future generations. Green = Crook.
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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2009, 02:45:37 PM »
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Solar power could be dead in the water
Robert Glennon

Congress’ rush to embrace solar power is having some unintended consequences. It will turn over a large chunk of federal land to private energy companies, and it may involve withdrawing billions of gallons of water from sensitive desert habitat.

By 2015, Congress wants the Interior and Energy Departments to place, on federal land, renewable energy projects that can generate at least 10,000 megawatts of electricity. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 has set off a frantic land grab as solar and wind energy companies rush to obtain permits for projects in Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah.

As of mid-March, the Bureau of Land Management had received 158 applications for permits for solar power plants, covering more than 1 million acres of land. Most of the proposed plants are near the border of Arizona, California and Nevada. This area of the Mojave Desert seems perfect for solar power; it’s hot and flat and vast. What the Mojave Desert doesn’t have is water.

Most people think of solar power as flat roof panels used to heat water. This photovoltaic system directly converts the sun’s waves into electricity. But so far, it’s not commercially feasible. The power is costly and there’s no juice at night, but utilities want cheap power 24/7. On the plus side, photovoltaic solar uses almost no water.

In contrast, most large solar power projects use a system called concentrating solar power, or CSP, that heats a fluid that boils water to turn a turbine. CSP, just like any thermal power plant, produces waste heat as a byproduct. In most cases, cooling towers release the heat to the atmosphere through evaporation, a process that uses gobs of water. In fact, CSP uses four times as much water as a natural gas plant and twice as much as a coal or nuclear plant.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090614/EDIT05/306149943/1147/EDIT07
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2009, 01:33:06 PM »
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Bexley not sold on solar-panel plan

By Elizabeth Gibson
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Bexley officials say they aren't yet sure whether they want free solar panels.

The state awarded $335,328 this month for the installation of panels atop carports at Bexley's new police station.

But a private company, SolarVision LLC, not the city, applied for the grant.

"I'm not opposed to solar energy, but there are several issues," said Lee Nathans, chairman of the Bexley Police Community Advisory Committee.

..."Solar power is not a free-standing business at this point without these tax credits," Van Cleef said. "

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/12/19/no_solar.ART_ART_12-19-09_B4_NOG22OJ.html
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« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2009, 08:40:04 PM »
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Solar panels aren't good value now
Wednesday,  December 16, 2009 3:05 AM

I respond to the Associated Press article "Install a solar panel yourself with a kit, plus a few caveats," in the Thursday Dispatch, which put solar panels at about $1,000 per panel (costs, installation, permits, etc). I almost fell off my chair laughing as I read that one panel produces enough electrical power to light three 60-watt light bulbs.

On average, the electrical rate in the Columbus area is around 10 cents per kilowatt-hour. One solar panel produces 175 watts of electrical power per hour or a savings of 1.75 cents. The sun shines on average, 60 percent of a 10-hour day or six hours per day in the Columbus area and 2,190 hours per year.

Therefore, the total cost savings per year for each solar panel is $38.33 (2,190 hours x 1.75 cents), with a simple payback of 26 years ($1,000 divided by $38.33). Electric rates would have to increase 200 percent to obtain a simple payback of less than 10 years.

If cap-and-trade passes, within 10 years we all could be paying 25 to 30 cents per kilowatt. Installing panels then would make sense.

 BILL BARTON
Columbus

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2009/12/16/Barton_ART_12-16-09_A10_9PG0PNR.html?sid=101
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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2010, 08:20:10 PM »
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So, Uh, Green Jobs Will Save the U.S. Economy?   [Greg Pollowitz]

But in order to work, the U.S. will have to provide more subsidies?

Fox News:

    Recession Hits America’s Solar Industry

    The recession is having a glaring impact on America's solar power industry.

    Demand for solar products has dropped globally, prices have plummeted. Complicating efforts to expand, the industry in the United States faces intense competition from foreign governments making massive investments in what many see as the future of energy.

    Facing the difficult economic reality of competing on the world stage, Massachusetts based Evergreen Solar, Inc is turning to China. Lauded as a leader among green energy businesses in the state, the company is taking advantage of the subsidies, cheap labor and production costs offered in Asia. It's a simple matter of dollars and sense.

    "You have low labor costs and low overhead costs in China but, you also get enormous help from the government and so it's difficult to compete in the United States if you have to contend with higher labor costs and lower government assistance," said Rick Feldt, the CEO of Evergreen Solar.

http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGQxMDU0OTVhOTVmYjhlMmRhMDUyOTc1ZjM4MTliZmI=
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From the WSJ:

Peak Water
An unintended consequence of solar power mandates.

Harry Reid has decided that Senate Democrats will put off their cap-and-tax energy ambitions for now, focusing on smaller-scale subsidies and mandates. Anyone who thinks this counts as a "compromise" might visit Arizona, where the green campaign for renewable energy is forcing the state to confront the limits of a nonrenewable resource—water.

http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-opinion-commentary.html
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Dark days for solar power
When feds pick market winners, taxpayers lose

By Ed Feulner
The Washington Times

Ever heard of the Solyndra solar-cell plant in Fremont, Calif.? Most people haven’t. That’s a shame, considering how much taxpayer money has been poured into it.

Solyndra is in serious financial trouble. Despite getting a $535 million bailout - part of the taxpayer-funded “stimulus” - the company subsequently announced it would lay off more than 17 percent of its work force. It also had to close one of its manufacturing plants about a year after it got the money. The House Energy and Commerce Committee is launching an investigation.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/21/dark-days-for-solar-power/
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The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect.  --Hayek
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2011, 07:40:15 AM »
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Weed-Covered, Neglected Solar Park: 20 Acres, $11 Million, Only One And Half Years Old!

By P Gosselin on 4. Juli 2011



http://notrickszone.com/2011/07/04/weed-covered-solar-park-20-acres-11-million-only-one-and-half-years-old/
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The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect.  --Hayek
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OMB and Solyndra: Something to Hide?
September 1, 2011 9:22 P.M.
By Andrew Stiles   

The collapse of Solyndra, the solar panel company to which the federal government extended more than half a billion in loan guarantees as part of the stimulus package, ought to be a national disgrace in and of itself. That said, there could very well be even more damning revelations on the horizon regarding the nature of the Obama administration’s involvement — through the Office of Management and Budget and Department of Energy — in the debacle. House Republicans on the Energy and Commerce committee have been seeking information from the administration regarding Solyndra since February 2011, but White House officials have repeatedly stonewalled these efforts,

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/276120/omb-and-solyndra-something-hide-andrew-stiles
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money.  --Ronald Reagan

Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming

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The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect.  --Hayek
 
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