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« on: January 21, 2008, 06:26:17 AM »
TonyBlair
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I propose a new thread...keeping an eye on RINO's. For my first entry, I have the strongest and most famous RINO of all:
Arnold's Gray Days
By Jeff Emanuel
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger sat down with the L.A. Times last week to apologize for being a Republican. The once proud "Governator of the Golden State" cited "political inexperience" as his excuse for having espoused semiconservative ideals and principles during his first campaign and in the early years of his governorship.
The man who rode into the governor's mansion on a tsunami of dissatisfaction with former Governor Gray Davis and the budget crisis he wrought was sober in his reflection on the last few years in office. According to the Times, "he now regrets a number of the policies he championed in his early days in office and acknowledges his own rhetoric was at times overheated and naive."
The man who sold himself as the antidote to the woes brought on California by its political Establishment is showing once again that it's easier to go along than it is to stick to principle and to fight for change. He has accordingly dropped the conservative, change-centered, state-saving rhetoric and principles that inspired Californians to twice elect him to the state's highest office.
...That was four years ago. Now, facing a $14 billion annual budget deficit for which HE is responsible, and with more bills coming due in the next few years than Sacramento will have incoming checks with which to pay them, Governor Schwarzenegger -- in a moment of sober honesty -- recanted the principles on which he ran and for which the citizens of California elected him in the first place.
Read the pathetic rest at:
http://spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12600
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2008, 08:11:49 AM »
TonyBlair
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For those of you who think that voting for the "not democrat" is wise, I encourage you to think about which democrat you would be electing.
McCain would make a good Democrat
By George F. Will
In 2004, one of Sen. John McCain's closest associates, John Weaver, spoke to Sen. John Kerry about the possibility of McCain running as Kerry's vice presidential running mate. In No Excuses, Bob Shrum's memoir of his role in numerous presidential campaigns, including Kerry's, Shrum writes that Weaver assured Kerry that "McCain was serious about the possibility of teaming up with him," and Kerry approached McCain. He, however, was more serious about seeking the 2008 Republican nomination.
But was it unreasonable for Kerry to think the Arizona Republican might be comfortable on a Democratic ticket? Not really.
In ABC's New Hampshire debate, McCain said, "Why shouldn't we be able to reimport drugs from Canada?" A conservative's answer is: That amounts to importing Canada's price controls, a large step toward a system in which some medicines would be inexpensive but many others -- new pain-relieving, life-extending pharmaceuticals -- would be unavailable. Setting drug prices by government fiat rather than market forces results in huge reductions of funding for research and development of new drugs.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/edito...HD.html?sid=101
My favorite paragraph:
There is a place in American politics for moralizers who think in such Manichaean simplicities. That place is in the Democratic Party, where people who talk like McCain are considered not mavericks but mainstream.
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 08:26:40 PM »
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REMEMBER:
John McCain(esteemed member of the Keating 5...not a rock group) is the Democrats FAVORITE Republican.He stands a "snowballs" chance in Ohio March 5th.
Puger G.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 08:39:02 PM »
TonyBlair
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The Manchurian Candidate speaks his (lost) mind...
Geraldo Rivera Republican
Americans should remember John McCain's open-borders demagoguery.
By Michelle Malkin
After spearheading a disastrous, security-undermining, illegal-alien amnesty bill last year with Teddy Kennedy, “straight-talking” GOP Sen. John McCain claims he has seen the light. In TV appearances, he vows to put immigration enforcement first. On the campaign trail, he offers a perfunctory promise to strengthen border security and emphasizes the need to restore Americans’ trust in their government’s ability to defend the homeland.
“I got the message,” he told voters in South Carolina. “We will secure the borders first.”
But how can McCain cure citizens’ distrust when his own credibility on the issue remains fatally damaged? He doesn’t believe his own election-year spin. And he knows we know it. This is cynicism on steroids with a speedball chaser.
Not all of us have forgotten how the short-fused Arizona senator cursed good-faith opponents in his own party (“F**k you!” and “Chickensh*t” were the choice words he had for Texas GOP Senator John Cornyn during a spat over enforcement provisions). Not all of us have forgotten that he voted against barring felons from receiving amnesty benefits under his plan. Not all of us have forgotten the underhanded, debate-sabotaging manner in which McCain, Kennedy, Lindsey Graham, and Harry Reid conspired to ram their package down voters’ throats.
His admission of the shamnesty failure is grudging and bitter. While he now tells conservative voters what they want to hear about the need to build the southern border fence, he takes a contemptuous tone toward physical barriers when talking to businessmen. “By the way, I think the fence is least effective,” he told executives in Milwaukee, according to a recent Vanity Fair profile. “But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.” Straight talk? Try hate talk.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjA1O...DU5NmE1MDE5OGY=
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 06:50:44 AM »
TonyBlair
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AC unloads both barrels....
'Straight Talk' Express Takes Scenic Route to Truth
by Ann Coulter
John McCain is Bob Dole minus the charm, conservatism and youth. Like McCain, pollsters assured us that Dole was the most "electable" Republican. Unlike McCain, Dole didn't lie all the time while claiming to engage in Straight Talk.
Of course, I might lie constantly too, if I were seeking the Republican presidential nomination after enthusiastically promoting amnesty for illegal aliens, Social Security credit for illegal aliens, criminal trials for terrorists, stem-cell research on human embryos, crackpot global warming legislation and free speech-crushing campaign-finance laws.
I might lie too, if I had opposed the Bush tax cuts, a marriage amendment to the Constitution, waterboarding terrorists and drilling in Alaska.
And I might lie if I had called the ads of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth "dishonest and dishonorable."
McCain angrily denounces the suggestion that his "comprehensive immigration reform" constituted "amnesty" -- on the ludicrous grounds that it included a small fine. Even the guy who graduated fifth from the bottom of his class at the U.S. Naval Academy didn't fall for this a few years ago.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24635#continueA
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
RINO Watch
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 09:15:07 AM »
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When John McCain's name is mentioned there are a few things that come to mind.
1.) He and his father served our country honorably.
2.) The Keating 5.
3.) The Gang of 14.
4.) McCain Feingold Campaign Finance Reform which gave us that little rat face bastard George Soros.
5.) Shamnesty.
While at least he didn't need boxes of tissues to wipe his face like King George V after he finished his little tearful speeches, I believe this plainly lays out the McCain issue.
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I don't need John Kerry or big brother to wipe my ass, don't need Ted Kennedy to spill my glass, Al Not So Sharpton is a racist lying horses ass, Redistribution is a fkn laugh, the whole damn world can kiss my a**.
I don't need nobody to hold my hand, don't need nobody, I can stand. Make it on my own in a Rock-n-Roll band, kiss my ass cuz I'm a American.
Ya say you're friends with Michael Moore. Then you are friends with pimps & whores, The 2nd Amendment aint about no sport, no ri
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 09:56:01 AM »
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When John McCain's name is mentioned there are a few things that come to mind.
1.) He and his father served our country honorably.
2.) The Keating 5.
3.) The Gang of 14.
4.) McCain Feingold Campaign Finance Reform which gave us that little rat face bastard George Soros.
5.) Shamnesty.
While at least he didn't need boxes of tissues to wipe his face like King George V after he finished his little tearful speeches, I believe this plainly lays out the McCain issue.
One thing we will learn in the next few weeks is what the real influence of Rush, Sean and Mark Levin is upon the Republican landscape. These 3 shows, for 8 hours a day, have been relentless in their criticism of McCain and Huckabee. Levin was openly for Thompson and speaks of McCain in the same way he speaks of Hillary.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 11:23:30 AM »
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If McCain loses Florida, we may be looking at a brokered convention in all seriousness. Guilliani must win FL or he's done. I think Romney may win this thing.
I'd like to hear from the board here what they think the implications of an open brokered GOP convention would be. Some of my thoughts.
The GOP convention is late. The convention is schedule to adjourn after Labor day. That will compress the General Election campaign considerably. It would be tough introducing a Dark Horse candidate to the 'Mercan People. The democrat candidate (in reality Hillary) will have an incredible jump on both finances and message.
I just don't know who could emerge as a Dark Horse candidate. Probably we could look look at sitting GOP Governors and Senators who have put in a term.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 12:50:04 PM »
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Marc the "talkers" aren't needed to create the points of McCain's "on the record" history.
After the turmoil one Arkansas governor brought on our country and as more about Huckabee comes out in the end he's no better than Billary was or ever would be. I don't believe that Rudy is a viable option in the end either.
Romney isn't really an attractive option unless Thompson is in the VP slot.
I took a picture almost 3 years ago of a bumper sticker on a VW bug that read the following "Clinton/Obama 08", I believe this is now it'll all filter out in the end. This play fighting between Bill and Barack is nothing more than mindless leftist street theater designed in veiled attempt to attract a higher black turnout for the Dims in "08".
I know I know there's the RP factor and I don't really believe if there's a brokered GOP Convention it'll be because of him. If anything a majority of those who've (those in the minority take note) been pushing behind him will be attending the Dim convention.
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I don't need John Kerry or big brother to wipe my ass, don't need Ted Kennedy to spill my glass, Al Not So Sharpton is a racist lying horses ass, Redistribution is a fkn laugh, the whole damn world can kiss my a**.
I don't need nobody to hold my hand, don't need nobody, I can stand. Make it on my own in a Rock-n-Roll band, kiss my ass cuz I'm a American.
Ya say you're friends with Michael Moore. Then you are friends with pimps & whores, The 2nd Amendment aint about no sport, no ri
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 01:16:38 PM »
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I see Rudy losing Florida and dropping out. Huck doesn't seem to have much left in him either. This leaves Romney and McCain. While they aren't close to the cream of the crop, both will probably be in it for the long haul, along with Paul and Romney probably has more broad support than the other two. Whether there's a fight or a brokered Convention, I don't see a consensus nominee coming out of this think which may prove costly. There are a few things to consider:
1) How will our candidate look against Hillary on stage? Hillary will come out with fists flying and Romney hasn't responded too well when pressured on stage.
2)Are true Conservatives willing to hold their nose one more time? It seems these days that this is happening more and more frequently as we're lead by RINO's to the polls and the Conservative candidates are left behind.
3)Who can capture the vote of independents? I think Hillary may have a capped audience. Who can surpass this cap?
The magic 8-ball says "Outlook not so good."
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
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"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson
Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 06:17:42 PM »
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Movie star Sylvester Stallone backs Sen. John McCain in counterattack against fellow action star Chuck Norris' endorsement of Gov. Mike Huckabee.
I hope these guys knock each other out
(of the race).
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
Repeal the 17th Amendment
"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson
Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2008, 06:50:18 AM »
TonyBlair
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Do you need any more proof than a New York Times "endorsement"
?
NY Times Editorial
Primary Choices: John McCain
We have strong disagreements with all the Republicans running for president. The leading candidates have no plan for getting American troops out of Iraq. They are too wedded to discredited economic theories and unwilling even now to break with the legacy of President Bush. We disagree with them strongly on what makes a good Supreme Court justice.
Still, there is a choice to be made, and it is an easy one. Senator John McCain of Arizona is the only Republican who promises to end the George Bush style of governing from and on behalf of a small, angry fringe. With a record of working across the aisle to develop sound bipartisan legislation, he would offer a choice to a broader range of Americans than the rest of the Republican field.
We have shuddered at Mr. McCain’s occasional, tactical pander to the right because he has demonstrated that he has the character to stand on principle. He was an early advocate for battling global warming and risked his presidential bid to uphold fundamental American values in the immigration debate. A genuine war hero among Republicans who proclaim their zeal to be commander in chief, Mr. McCain argues passionately that a country’s treatment of prisoners in the worst of times says a great deal about its character.
No link...you can find it yourself if you really want to read it...
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2008, 09:30:07 AM »
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In the same issue, the NYT editorial board endorses Hillary Clinton, Bill's best (and probably only) friend.
Notice that during the past week the Times has been trying extra hard to hammer nails into the coffin of Rudolph Giuliani.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2008, 10:06:05 PM »
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Schwarzenegger praises McCain and Obama
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, weighing in on the presidential race, said that both Republican presidential candidate John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are on the right track in "talking about bringing people together" across partisan lines.
And, he said that the high profile and competing endorsements the Kennedy family - not including his wife Maria Shriver - in the Democratic presidential contest represents a dramatic departure from past years.
"What's interesting is that, within the family, for the first time you have different opinions," he said. "I've been in the family 30 years, and I've never seen that...that's really the story - what created that, and how Caroline and Teddy hooked up with the same opinion, and Kathleen ended up going with Hillary."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...9/MNOSUNR7E.DTL
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2008, 09:43:25 AM »
TonyBlair
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Is this simple pandering to the defense/security crowd? Or with the ball bearings rolling in his hand, is he actually planning something?
What "Other Wars"?
By G. Tracy Mehan, III
When Senator John McCain was campaigning in the Sunshine State, he repeated several times the main reason Floridians should vote for him.
"There's going to be other wars," he warned, and he was the man for this dangerous moment.
One would assume a statement like that would pique the interest of most citizens. This, evidently, was not the case among his opponents, newsmen, or anyone involved in the GOP primary.
No one really put it to him, "Senator McCain, what 'other wars' are you talking about?"
Note the plural: It means that the Arizona senator has in mind something beyond a possible action against Iran, which the president and several candidates have mulled from time to time. Or does it mean something else?
Maybe he is using "other wars" as shorthand for ad hoc strikes against terrorists camps or concentrations of bad guys around the world. Or maybe not.
Assuming the senator was thinking primarily of the challenge of Islamic jihadism, the phrase might indicate other wars being waged against -- fill in the blank -- Syria, Pakistan, Sudan, or other countries yet unnamed.
We simply don't know, which is troubling. Presidential campaigns, especially Republican primary campaigns, should fully explore the dead serious issues facing the nation. And war and peace rank right up at there at the top of that list.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12673
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald Reagan
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus
The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek
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