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« on: April 25, 2008, 11:07:02 AM »
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McCain to NC GOP: Don't run anti-Obama ad

Apr. 23, 2008 10:17 AM
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INEZ, Ky. - Republican John McCain asked the North Carolina GOP not to run a television ad that brings up the controversial former pastor of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
North Carolina Republican party officials insisted the ad will run as planned despite McCain's request.

The ad opens with a photo of Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright together and a clip of Wright, whose incendiary comments about race have bedeviled Obama.

"He's just too extreme for North Carolina," the narrator says in the 30-second spot.

"We asked them not to run it," McCain told reporters on his campaign bus in Kentucky Wednesday. "I'm sending them an e-mail as we speak asking them to take it down.

"I don't know why they do it. Obviously, I don't control them, but I'm making it very clear, as I have a couple of times in the past, that there's no place for that kind of campaigning, and the American people don't want it," McCain said.

McCain said the ad was described to him: "I didn't see it, and I hope that I don't see it."

Republican National Committee chairman Mike Duncan, campaigning Wednesday with McCain, said he had left a voice mail message for state party chairwoman Linda Daves asking her to pull the ad.
McCain, in an e-mail to Daves, said he will draw sharp contrasts with Democrats. "But we need not engage in political tactics that only seek to divide the American people."

North Carolina GOP spokesman Brent Woodcox said the ad will begin running statewide on Monday, a week before the state's crucial May 6 primary.

The ad actually targets gubernatorial candidates Richard Moore and Bev Perdue, Democrats who have endorsed Obama.

"We have a great relation with the RNC and we fully support John McCain for president," Woodcox said. "But this is an ad about two North Carolina candidates for governor. The ad is going to run."
Daves defended the ad, saying it "presents a question of patriotism and judgment."

"It is entirely appropriate for voters to evaluate candidates based on their past associations," Daves said.

Obama has denounced the most inflammatory of Wright's comments, but says the pastor shouldn't be judged solely on a handful of remarks. Obama has expressed admiration for the pastor, who officiated at his wedding, baptized his two daughters and inspired the title of his best-selling book, "The Audacity of Hope."

North Carolina's primary will divide 115 delegates among the Democratic presidential candidates and decide the party's nominee for governor. Polls indicate that Obama holds a comfortable lead over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in the state.
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 12:22:41 PM »
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This behavior by McCain will cause him to win big or lose big.  If he plans to run these ads left and right, many may view it as him picking up where Hillary left off.  I tend to think that stimulated debate rather than attack ads will attract more voters.  We shall see.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 04:29:10 PM »
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I agree with your analysis and I also agree with McCain's decision. The GOP is going on and on about the pastor and perhaps that is smart to get people thinking about "who is this guy" in relation to Senator Obama, but at some point, I hope the dialog turns to something like this:

1) Senator Obama has promised to raise the tax rate to 62%, is this good for America?

2) Senator Obama has promised to repeal NAFTA, is this good for America.

3) Senator Obama will start bringing troops home from Iraq regardless of the conditions on the ground - is this good for America.

4) Senator Obama has promised close to universal health care but has not described how he will pay for it. Will we be able to afford it.

5) Senator Obama has promised big government solutions for education but he has not said how much it will cost or how he will pay for it. Does America want Washington based solutions for local problems.

6) Senator Obama has repeatedly stated that he wants to punish profitable companies in America. These companies are providing millions of jobs. Does America want a President who believes it is the job of the federal government to dictate the profit margins for private or public companies.

7) Senator Obama has repeatedly stated that the rich do not pay their fair share of taxes. Last I checked, the rich pay almost all of the taxes. Senator Obama's statement can only be interpreted as a campaign call for socialism. Is this what America wants?

And you can go right down the list. The fact that he sat in a church and did nothing while the sermons were filled with vile hate is meaningful only in the sense that it arguably informs us about his character, but if I was making a list of everything I disliked about Senator Obama's candidacy, that wouldn't make the top 20.

 
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Marc,
Wright is a part of the narrative for Obama.  Frankly I find his association with Ayers and Dohrn more disturbing than the one with Wright.  Those people should be at Gtmo.

The Narrative is this.  Obama is about the closest thing to a Marxist that a major party is about to nominate in the history of the Republic.

Wright, Ayers, Dohrn and his positions are all the same thing.  I agree his positions are alarming but I don't think the Democrats who nominate care.  They may not care about his associations but it certainly garners their attention.
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The argument for the Democratic candidates MUST DEAL with the character issue of Obama.Hillary's lack of character has been well established. The NC ad is totally appropiate and The Republican Party of NC shows more "cajones" than anything the RNC or Juan Pablo has shown. I am sending them a cash donation and I encourage other Conservatives to do the same. Send Juan Pablo a message. If McCain sees the NC Party draw in a lot of cash from this ad......he'll get it,Dumb A**  McCain-Feingold!!!

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 06:25:24 PM »
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McCain said the ad was described to him: "I didn't see it, and I hope that I don't see it."

Maybe, he should just keep his mouth shut!  geez you would think he would have at least reviewed it... before he opens his yapper!....McCain is so out of touch....Is he really a Republican?....I hear he might chose Hillary for his V.P.
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My goodness. Did anyone listen to the ad?

The pastor is bad
Obama listened to the Pastor so Obama is bad
The North Carolina Democratic Candidates for governor endorsed Obama so they are bad.

Vote for the Republican North Carolina candidates for Governor.

If you want to argue that McCain has no business interjecting himself in the NC governor's race, then fine - but the ad itself is silly.  
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 11:30:29 PM »
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If you want to argue that McCain has no business interjecting himself in the NC governor's race, then fine - but the ad itself is silly

True,..But thats why he is "stupid"... Somehow the old fart is gona blow it!
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My parents always told me I would be judged by the company I kept. Worked for me, worked for my kids. Are there people that I casualy know that aren't what they appear? Probably. But I know what my preacher, friend and mentor are like. Could they hide something from me? Possibly. But I sure would know about public rants. Besides, nobody could sleep through all the church members that were in agreement. So even if he missed the actual sermon he must be a bad judge of all the other members. I guess I'm selective about those close to me. I would hope someone running for office would be selective also.

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ps. As for McCain, when you're not in it and you're benifitting, it's time to keep your mouth shut!
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Marc:
    You think the ad is silly.Fine ! It is free speech.....it critisizes the judgement of the Democrat candidates endorsement of Obama....who exercised bad judgement for 20 years in a biggoted , rascist church.Obamas character...his integrity are on trial and everyone has the right to vet/expose his flaws. More over, McCain has no business telling the NC Party what to do.

     I'm sending money to NC GOP......Ms. Linda Daves has more "nads" then your war hero .

P.G.C.
 
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2008, 12:05:57 PM »
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VTF:

Presidential elections as far back as I can remember are races to the center. The one who can grab the center usually wins.

In 2004, Kerry was painted as the liberal he was while Bush was in the middle.
In 2000, Gore was not quite a liberal as he is now but Bush was almost directly in the middle.
In 1996, Clinton was the "above it all" centrist and Dole was on the far right.
In 1992, Clinton ran to the middle after the primaries while Bush tried to protect his flank from Buchanan and lost the center.
In 1988, Bush ran for the third Reagan term again Dukakis

And so on..

McCain is positioned to grab the middle against either Democrat and he will win so long as he comes off as a centrist. You may not like the Centrist position but Obama is really on the Lunatic fringe of the democratic party. If Obama wins the nomination and McCain stays in the middle, McCain wins. I fully understand that most people on CTH do not consider that a victory but I've long ago concluded that a candidate who agrees with me 60% of the time is better than a candidate who agrees with me 0% of the time.

 
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ANYONE ON this site think Juan Pablo agrees with them 60% of the time ? I hear laughfter. It takes more than being ProLife to be a Conservative. I disagree with Juan Pablo on just about everything he's sponsored legislatively....I'm too tired to list the littany. Assumming Barry Hussein gets the nomination....I suppose you'll credit McCain with being a Centrist when hes just a few clicks to the right of HRC

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60%...hmmm.  This numbers game is curious.  

As future Republican candidates asymptotically approach 0%...where should one draw the line?  

40%? 20%? 10%?  

or 0.00000000000000000000000003%?

In other words, there is a magic number out there somewhere where a Republican is so bad that not even Marc Schare will vote for him.

I predict it is closer to 1% than 60%.
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Oh, the doom and the despair. The CTH version of a tragedy worthy of Shakespeare.

TB, by definition, between two candidates, it is logical to support the one whose positions are more aligned with your own. That's true whether you agree with the candidate 100% of the time or 10% of the time. The difference between the two defines how hard you work for the candidate in question.

I'm struggling to think of a single issue where I agree with Senator ClintObama. That would give them a zero.

I agree with McCain on taxes (Since the campaign started), the economy, Iraq, the greater war on terror, immigration (since the campaign started), judges, some of his views on education (e.g. choice), health care, and so forth.

I disagree with McCain on the environment, amnesty (from before the campaign started), some of his views on education (e.g. that the feds should play a role) and I am disappointed his web site does not offer a position on entitlement reform, arguably our second biggest problem.

On the issues that I disagree with McCain on, ClintObama would be 20 times worse. Their solutions to entitlement reform is a crushing 12.4% tax on the incomes of the rich.

I think it's time to stop sulking and wake up to the fact that one of these guys is going to be President and if it's Obama, you may not recognize your country 4 years from now.

 
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Marc:
 Lets not forget Disagreeing with McCain on closing Gitmo, reintroducing the Fairness Doctrine to talk radio, Buying into to carbon caps and generally buying the global warming scam,McCain helping with more campaign financing like his ever popular McCain-FeinGold. Schucks......we probably won't recognize the Country if he gets lucky and wins against which ever Marxist wrestles down their nomination.

 P.G.C..
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