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The taxpayers should have to pay an equal amount immediately after Washington debates the budget for each year.  That should allow for more activism on the part of the taxpayer in the entire process.  No one in Washington is going to put a bunch of BS in the budget and then turn around to his constituents and say, "By the way, I'm going to need an extra $100 bucks this year."

Ok let's see a solution to this issue then.

First of all, are we in agreement that the income tax is immoral, unconstitutional and anti-growth?  If so, then we can discuss alternatives.  In my view, everyone should pay per capita (adults only) the planned expenditures for the fiscal year.  Aligning the time that we pay our taxes with the budget process should bring more attention and accountability to the entire process.  Imagine if people were as involved with the process like they were when Congress was trying to pass the immigration reform.

If we went about this process, using the current expenditures of the federal government and the current labor force, each person would pay $18,000 to the federal government each year.  That means on average, U.S. taxpayers would be paying 41% of their yearly earnings to the federal government.  Now people will start to get an idea as to how large the federal government is and hopefully then some fat will be trimmed.

What's wrong with the Fair Tax?

What's wrong with the Fair Tax?

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My biggest problem is that the fair tax is a VAT that doesn't dump the 16th amendment.  There's nothing that will prevent the Government reinstituting the income tax later on down the road.

Canada instituted a VAT at the beginning of the 1990's and never ditched its income tax.  It promptly resulted in the Conservatives going down to about 2 votes in Parliament.

 

If the Fair Tax were adopted, we would:

1) Need to eliminate all other forms of taxation at the federal level.
2) Address to ability of gov't to raise and lower the percentage rate as they saw fit.
3) Put controls on out-of-control spending.

Ok Credo I can live w/that answer. In the end other than keeping the red tape that's costing us all so much money what do you see as the absolute remedy?

Ok Credo I can live w/that answer. In the end other than keeping the red tape that's costing us all so much money what do you see as the absolute remedy?

It's not going to be easy.  It's the things that we address on this forum all the time.  The current tax code is an absolute mess and tries to do things that go beyond taking in revenue for Government services.

Obama, when he was shown that cutting Capital Gains actually RAISED revenue, basically said he doesn't care - IT WASN'T FAIR.  That idea permeates our culture.  People need to learn first that the current tax code is an assault on our liberties.  I have to give an amen to L for that - it is immoral.

Counter is right on the invasion of privacy aspect.  I remember in my younger days filling out a Schedule A for the first time.  I was horrified how personal it was.  What business of the government is it?

You and I agree there are some government services that are necessary.  The DOD is important but it is not as big a chunk of the Federal Budget as some people think.

Marc Share has hinted at this.  The current outcry over "Earmarks" is ridiculous.  Earmarks don't even constitute a percent of the budget.  I know the congress critters are corrupt.  What worries me are the elephants of Social Security, Medicare and other Entitlements that are threatening us.

Currently 2/3 of the budget is allocated to non-discretionary spending.  The entitlement must be cut.  I'll look up the figures, but it wasn't too long ago that the non-discretionary spending was only 1/3.

[but outlays rose 19% ....]

FMG, Inc. Business Digest:

The Treasury Department reported that the U.S. government took in a record $404 billion in revenue in April, up 5% from a year earlier, but outlays rose 19% ....



 

By the govt's definition, that's a fine fiscal management.

 

I think I failed to mention that an income tax is particularly egregious as it pertains to the concept of private property.

 

That is a point that isn't made clear enough to most people.  If the connection were made more apparent, I believe there would be much more voiced discontent.  To the benefit of the gov't, they get the money before we do.