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« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2010, 06:49:33 PM »
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« Reply #91 on: March 12, 2010, 09:44:27 AM »
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Virginia Lawmakers Say "No" To Health Care Reform

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..Mike Hurley, who owns a local business, is pleased legislators just said no. "I don't think the federal government should force me to buy anything."

Hurley proudly noted Virginia's motto, Sic Semper Tyrannis (Thus Always To Tyrants). "And when the federal government becomes tyrants,' he said, "we throw them off."


This has passed both Houses of the General Assembly including the Democrat controlled Senate.  The Governor will sign it and I guarantee you the current AG will try to enforce it.
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« Reply #92 on: March 12, 2010, 05:56:06 PM »
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Right, you should not be forced to buy.

 But then should you (or your family) get really. really ill I don't see why I should pay (in tax money or higher insurance premiums) when you show up un-insured at the emergency room or need an operation that you can't afford.  We all pay for the services that hospitals give to the uninsured.  So, as far as the Shadow is concerned all who are uninsured (by choice) should be ready to pay the whole real bill, and if they can't, well RIP  Angry.

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« Reply #93 on: March 12, 2010, 09:38:23 PM »
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 But then should you (or your family) get really. really ill I don't see why I should pay.

The problem is that millions of people don't have insurance.
It costs each of us with insurance about $6,000/year to cover these people.

If they had insurance these uninsured people would get better and more timely routine care thus saving you and me about $3,000/year.

The conservatives may be ideologically pure. But it sucks for the rest of us.
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« Reply #94 on: March 13, 2010, 02:57:51 PM »
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The point is that people who do not buy insurance (by choice) should not cost the rest of us when they have to access the more expensive forms of treatment.  The rest of us includes physicians and hospitals.  They should have to pay the full freight.  Otherwise they might be categorized as "moochers".  Buying insurance or paying the "fine" would take care of that.

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« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2010, 05:58:48 PM »
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My love note to my hopefully soon to be ex congress critter.

Dear Congressman Connolly,

I wanted to write you to express my opposition to the Health Care legislation passed by the United States Senate and currently under consideration by the House of Representatives.

One item in particular that I oppose in this legislation is the mandate to require individuals to purchase Health Insurance. Of note in regards to this is that both Houses of the Virginia General Assembly have passed their own legislation protecting citizens of the Commonwealth from this mandate. Your vote in favor of the Senate Bill would fly in the face of will of all Virginians as expressed by the General Assembly’s actions.

Other troubling issues regard special favors given to States like Nebraska, Louisiana and Florida. A vote in favor of the Senate legislation would indicate you approve of these special back room deals.

Finally, most disturbing, there are reports that the Speaker and Chairwoman of the House Rules Committee are trying put forth a procedure to “deem” the legislation passed without a proper vote on the floor of the House. I would call your attention to Article I, Section 7 of the United States Constitution which states clearly that an entire body of legislation has to be passed by both Houses of Congress with a recording of the Yeas and Nays prior to the legislation being presented to the President for signature.

In my opinion, any House Member who would vote for a mere Rules procedure as a substitute for a proper up and down vote is violating their oath of office.

I would appreciate your consideration of these matters.

Credo
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« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2010, 04:59:11 PM »
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 Obama Comes to Ohio (Again), Nobody Shows Up    [Matt A. Mayer]

President Barack Obama, joined by Ohio governor Ted Strickland, came to Ohio today to continue his permanent campaign on health-care legislation. His campaign events during the 2008 presidential race attracted crowds of thousands of Ohioans; this time, President Obama managed a crowd of about 200 people. With his negative approval numbers in Ohio (44 percent approve, 52 percent disapprove), it isn’t much of surprise that few showed up to hear him once again talk about health care. On health care, Ohioans disapprove of the job President Obama is doing (34 percent approve, 58 percent disapprove). On the health-care proposal, 56 percent of Ohioans mostly disapprove of it, with 43 percent believing that the proposed changes go too far.

The fact of the matter is that Ohioans are almost solely focused on jobs, jobs, and more jobs. On the economy, President Obama is heavily into negative territory (37 percent approve, 57 percent disapprove) as Ohioans in large numbers disprove of his handling of the economy. Given the fact that Ohio had a net increase in jobs from 1990–2010 of just 79,100 private sector jobs in a state of 11.4 million people, these findings shouldn't be a surprise. For Ohioans, it really is time that President Obama stopped trying to ram health-care legislation through and started doing what he said he would do in the State of the Union speech — focus like a laser on jobs.

— Matt A. Mayer is president of the Buckeye Institute for Public Policy Solutions.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTFkNjZhYjYwYjRmZjY0NTE5MDkxZGM5Y2FhNmM0MTQ=
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The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect.  --Hayek
« Reply #97 on: March 16, 2010, 09:55:06 AM »
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Liberty Is Finite by Ken Cuccinelli AG of Virginia

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The bottom line is that fighting the further centralization of health care isn't just about money, it's a fight to preserve liberty, and it's a fight worth having.

For me, I will stand for liberty.


Go Ken Go.
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« Reply #98 on: March 16, 2010, 10:07:01 PM »
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Everybody in Ohio is (and should be) focused on private sector jobs.  That jobs and health care for all are mutually exclusive resides in the minds of many who have fallen for the propaganda fostered by the health insurance companies and their lap dogs.

Those who "resent" being "forced" to pay into the system should be prepared to pay the FULL tab for whatever health problems they might have and not rely on heath provider discounts.

Those seniors who resent "government health care insurance" should give up their Medicare cards.

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« Reply #99 on: March 17, 2010, 12:26:19 AM »
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RomneyCare v. ObamaCare
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« Reply #100 on: March 17, 2010, 04:43:53 PM »
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Wow..even the pro-democrap AP knows it is being lied to..


FACT CHECK: Obama plan only slows premiums rise
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By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR,

WASHINGTON – Buyers, beware: President Barack Obama says his health care overhaul will lower premiums by double digits, but check the fine print.

Premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases would level off with time. But don't look for a rollback. Instead, the main reason premiums would be more affordable is that new government tax credits would help millions of people who can't afford the cost now.

Listening to Obama pitch his plan, you might not realize that's how it works.

Visiting a Cleveland suburb this week, the president described how individuals and small businesses will be able to buy coverage in a new kind of health insurance marketplace, gaining the same strength in numbers that federal employees have.

"You'll be able to buy in, or a small business will be able to buy into this pool," Obama said. "And that will lower rates, it's estimated, by up to 14 to 20 percent over what you're currently getting. That's money out of pocket."

And that's not all.

Obama asked his audience for a show of hands from people with employer-provided coverage, what most Americans have.

"Your employer, it's estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent,"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100317/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul_fact_check
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money.  --Ronald Reagan

Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus

The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect.  --Hayek
« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2010, 10:36:42 AM »
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Hat tip to Virginia Virtucon

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    The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
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    Dear Speaker Pelosi:

    I am writing to urge you not to proceed with the Senate Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act under a so-called “deem and pass” rule because such a course of action would raise grave constitutional questions.

    Based upon media interviews and statements which I have seen, you are considering this approach because it might somehow shield members of Congress from taking a recorded vote on an overwhelmingly unpopular Senate bill.  This is an improper purpose under the bicameralism requirements of Article I, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, one of the purposes of which is to make our representatives fully accountable for their votes.

    Furthermore, to be validly enacted, the Senate bill would have to be accepted by the House in a form that is word-for-word identical (Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998)).

    Should you employ the deem and pass tactic, you expose any act which may pass to yet another constitutional challenge.

    A bill of this magnitude should not be passed using this maneuver.  As the President noted last week, the American people are entitled to an up or down vote.

    Sincerely,
    Kenneth T. Cuccinelli, II
    Attorney General of Virginia
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« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2010, 05:00:24 PM »
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And don't forget, our dearest leader was going to focus on jobs like a laser beam..


To Repeat: Doctors Could Hang It Up

Health Overhaul: We were harshly criticized last September for an IBD/TIPP Poll that showed 45% of doctors would consider leaving medicine if a health care takeover passed. A new poll has vindicated our findings.

Our questionnaire went out Aug. 28 to some 25,600 doctors nationwide. Of that substantial sample, we got 1,476 responses. One hundred of those were retired, leaving 1,376.

At the time, virtually no one had stopped to ask doctors how they felt about the medical takeover being discussed in Congress. We thought it was vital to ask them, since any overhaul would rise or fall on its implementation by doctors themselves.

To say we were stunned with the results is an understatement.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=527698
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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money.  --Ronald Reagan

Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus

The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect.  --Hayek
« Reply #103 on: March 19, 2010, 02:40:16 PM »
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I hear Dennis Konscenich..[ spelling bad] got some deal for his wife... so he switched his vote.

We have the same thing in Az.... They are making deals with Pelosi/Reid/Obama  for the next Amnesty plan... So much for changing the "culture of Washington"
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« Reply #104 on: March 21, 2010, 08:51:51 AM »
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God Bless America: What I Saw on the West Lawn Saturday   [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

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We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money.  --Ronald Reagan

Al Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warming

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - Camus

The person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect.  --Hayek
 
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