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The 912 Project - Glenn Beck

912 Group of Central Ohio

Please let me know if you'd like your link added

Eastern District of Virginia - the "Rocket Docket"

This is one of the fastest moving Federal District Courts in the land.

Indoor tanning salons will charge customers a 10 percent federal tax beginning today...
(What do you think a 10% price increase will do to these businesses?)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aa32kl.M09T4

The Commerce Clause does not apply. Since there is no commerce if someone refuses to buy Health Insurance.

It appears to me that the complaint leaves the Judge wiggle room to issue a stay on enforcement and execution of this act pending resolution.


Do you generally support frivolous lawsuits? 

You don't think Congress has the constitutional right to regulate a multi-billion dollar/yr industry?
You don't think Congress has the right to levy taxes?

You think 5 conservative justices would be willing to invalidate the most important piece of legislation in 50 years and base that decision on an extremely controversial reading of the constitution. Your view doesn't pass a simple smell test.

Health Care Reform HEADLINES
1) EMPLOYER MANDATE

Employers with 50 or more total employees that do not provide comprehensive health coverage would be assessed $2,000 for each full-time employee in the workforce.  Employers that do provide coverage, but the coverage is deemed not affordable to employees under the terms of the legislation, would be assessed $3,000 for each full-time employee who obtains an income-based health insurance premium tax credit in an insurance exchange.

Employers that do not provide coverage would not be assessed a penalty for the first 30 full-time employees.

Employers who provide insurance would be permitted a 90-day waiting period before enrolling employees in the plan, without being subject to penalties.

While part-time employees (averaging less than 30 hours per week) would be considered for the purpose of determining if an employer has 50 or more employees, employers do not have to pay penalties on part-time employees.

The employer mandate is effective in 2014
 
2) INDIVIDUAL MANDATE

The bill has an individual mandate which will require individuals to obtain health care coverage or be subject to a
tax penalty starting at $95 or 1 percent of an individual's applicable income in 2014 per year.  The individual penalty will be phased in over a few years, reaching an annual amount of $695 or 2.5 percent of applicable income in 2016 (indexed thereafter).

No penalty would be assessed on individuals without health insurance whose income is below the filing level for income tax purposes.
 
3) TAXES

·         Cadillac Tax: Effective 2018, there will be a 40 percent excise tax on high-cost plans for total health coverage costs in excess of $10,200 for single coverage and $27,500 for family coverage. 

·         Unearned Income Tax: Effective 2013, the bill creates a new income tax on unearned income.  High-earner individuals with total taxable income above $200,000 (single return) or $250,000 (joint return) from any source would be subject to a 3.8 percent tax on their unearned income over the above thresholds.   
Medicare Tax: Effective 2013, high-earner individuals with wages above $200,000 (single return) or $250,000 (joint return) will see their Medicare payroll taxes increase by 0.9 percent tax to a total of 2.35 percent of their wages over the above thresholds.  This increase will only apply to the employee portion of the Medicare tax. 
 

Counter,

Just read the article by Prof. Williams.  Thanks for posting.  This should have changed the minds of at least a couple posters, but as evidenced, opposing views are given legitimate consideration by some.

Did anyone notice how the more controversial pieces of this legislation don't go into effect until some are likely to be out of office?

When does the health-care bill go into effect?

Vocal Observer:

Just read the article by Prof. Williams.  Thanks for posting.  This should have changed the minds of at least a couple posters, but as evidenced, opposing views are given legitimate consideration by some.

What do you think was the salient point or argument? I'd be glad to take another look at it if you can explain what the important point or important argument was.

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli claims that "at no time in our history has the government mandated its citizens buy a good or service."

Souce: http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/national/national_govtpolitics/article/cuccinelli_says_va._will_sue_over_health-care_bill/53950/

Oh, is that right? And if the government were do make such a requirement it would be unconstitutional.

Do you think our founders knew anything about the constitution.

Consider the 2nd militia Acto of 1792:

"[E]very citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack."

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm

This bill was passed shortly after the constitution was written and adopted. Many of those serving in Congress had participated in both and can be presumed to have known something about it -- more than Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli knows anyway.

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Watch this slimy liberal refuse to answer a simple question even though he knows (and we know) the answer.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/3O6Jk7icfMw&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/3O6Jk7icfMw&rel=0</a>

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

A fascist and a felon, sitting in a tree..

ObamaCare Signing: Ex-con at the Scene of the Crime
by Joel B. Pollak

Convicted felon Robert Creamer, who wrote the blueprint for the Democrats’ health care reform campaign, attended official health care signing celebrations in Washington, D.C. yesterday. He was joined by numerous activists and “community organizers” who have had their sights set on nationalizing health care and have finally achieved it. Creamer’s spouse, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, was one of the bill’s most vociferous proponents.

http://biggovernment.com/jpollak/2010/03/25/obamacare-signing-ex-con-at-the-scene-of-the-crime/

[expect to take a total hit of $265 million]

Now that Her Highness Pelosi has let the peons look at the bill, the AP (surprisingly enough…they must have laid off the Palin Attack Squad) gets a taste of what is really going on here.  For you libtards who don’t understand economics (which is most of you—because if you understood economics, you wouldn’t be libtards); there are several possibilities here:

1)   These companies simply pass on the costs on to the consumer (effectively taxing the majority of us who make less than $250K per year)
2)   These companies let a large chunk of their employees go (because they can no longer compete..but it is a good thing Our Dear Leader is focusing like a laser beam on jobs) or
3)   They shift operations overseas.


Companies say health care costs hard to swallow
By JOSH FUNK (AP) – 14 hours ago

The health care overhaul will cost U.S. companies billions and make them more likely to drop prescription drug coverage for retirees because of a change in how the government subsidizes those benefits.

In the first two days after the law was signed, three major companies — Deere & Co., Caterpillar Inc. and Valero Energy — said they expect to take a total hit of $265 million to account for smaller tax deductions in the future.

With more than 3,500 companies now getting the tax break as an incentive to keep providing coverage, others are almost certain to announce similar cost increases in the weeks ahead as they sort out the impact of the change.

Figuring out what it will mean for retirees will take longer, but analysts said as many as 2 million could lose the prescription drug coverage provided by their former employers, leaving them to enroll in Medicare's program.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gmzNv5LYXOA6UM_XmUHdOe9augtQD9ELVL3G1

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

I just found about this yesterday. 

Little-Known Health Care Law Provision Is a Budget Buster, Critics Say

By William La Jeunesse

While Congress spent the last year debating how to provide health insurance for the uninsured, a little-known provision slipped into the heath care law that could cost some Americans upwards of $2,000 a year.

The Class Act, otherwise known as the Community Living Assistance Services and Support Act, is the federal government's first long-term care insurance program.

Under-reported and the under the radar of most lawmakers, the program will allow workers to have an average of roughly $150 or $240 a month, based on age and salary, automatically deducted from their paycheck to save for long-term care.

The Congressional Budget Office expects the government will collect $109 billion in premiums by 2019.

Supporters say the program will relieve pressure on Medicaid and should help keep us out of nursing homes by enabling Americans to save for something most will eventually need -- assistance in eating, bathing or dressing in their old age.
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Opponents say the provision is little more than a short-term revenue fix that will eventually add to the federal deficit.

"This is a scary proposition where the government passed a huge new entitlement program with gimmicks and tricks and the American people don't know they will be automatically enrolled in it by their employer if they don’t watch out," said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/26/little-known-long-termhealth-care-provision-budget-buster-say-critics/

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Even NBC is starting to question His Eminence..

http://www.cnbc.com/id/36055365

Petition supporting Virginia AG Ken Cuccinelli's action in Federal Court to Stop the Mandate.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2010, President Obama signed into law a healthcare bill of historic proportions.  That bill includes an individual mandate on Americans that declares that they must buy health insurance or face penalties.  This overreaches the authority of Congress under the Commerce Clause and is therefore unconstitutional.

Buying health insurance can be said to be an act in commerce. However, if someone doesn’t buy insurance, they are by definition not engaging in commerce. This legislation greatly oversteps the Commerce Clause.

Please join in Virginia’s fight to overturn the individual mandate on health insurance.  I ask that you indicate your support by signing the petition below.  Please also forward this to your friends.

Sincerely,

Ken Cuccinelli
Attorney General of Virginia

Please sign and pass around.  Doesn't matter if you're from Virginia.