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The 912 Project - Glenn Beck

912 Group of Central Ohio

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http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/news.apx.-content-articles-CMH-2008-08-20-0029.html

Candidates Agree On Importance Of Local Debate
 
Wednesday, Aug 20, 2008 - 05:18 PM Updated: 06:03 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The three leading candidates in Ohio's 15th Congressional District have agreed to debate live on NBC 4.

The debate, which is co-sponsored by the AARP, will take place at The Ohio State University's Fawcett Center on Sept. 16 at 7 p.m. and will air live on NBC 4.

With at least 40,000 members expected to vote in the district, AARP Ohio President Joanne Limbach said that the debate will illuminate the candidates' positions on important issues like health care and financial security.

"You get to know a little about the person that, many times, you don't get just in reading the information," Limbach said.

"These debates will give voters an opportunity to assess the three candidates and decide for themselves which of the three will bring people together to help solve the real problems facing this country," said Mary Jo Kilroy, Democratic candidate.

Kilroy said that seeing the candidates clash can be revealing, while Independent candidate Don Elijah Eckhart, who qualified for the debate when he received 7 percent support in a recent NBC 4 sponsored poll, said his presence will point out policy differences.

"Voters often times make decisions that are not very well informed. This will help them," Eckhart said.

In the meantime, Republican candidate Steve Stivers said the debate helps voters feel more comfortable with their choice.

"When you're in a debate, you get to see somebody's style, how they interact with each other and you can get a better sense of how they might interact with other people in Congress and how they might interact with you, the constituent," Stivers said.

Just who are the candidates?

Democratic Franklin County Commissioner Mary Jo Kilroy is making her second run for the office after losing to Deborah Pryce in 2006 by less than 1,000 votes. She points to her experience as a commissioner and a Columbus City School Board member, and wants to tackle priority issues such as providing health care and creating new jobs.

"I'm working hard for people to make sure that we have lower costs of energy, that we have strong schools, that we protect our environment," she said. "After eight years of Republican rule, I think it's time we have a change."

But one Republican is asking voters to look beyond party affiliation. State Sen. Steve Stivers of Upper Arlington wants to take on key economic issues and tackle America's energy challenges. He points to his military service, his private sector work experience and his legislative background as assets.

"I'm the only person in this race who has ever been a legislator and I'm the only person in this race who has worked in a bi-partisan fashion to get things done," Stivers said.

Both Kilroy and Stivers have company in Independent candidate Don Elijah Eckhart, a former government employee who thinks special interests have too much power. He said he would not have run if he wasn't the only pro-life candidate.

"Pro-life is a very high and critical vital issue for me, but the money in politics is also very important," Eckhart said.

Stay with NBC 4 and refresh nbc4i.com for additional information.

Stivers is pathetic, but Don will make sure that Kilroy is the next Congressperson.

Counter,

"Don" can easily be replaced in your comment with your choice of the following:

• RNC
• Stivers
• Uninformed primary voters
• RINOs
• Voters unwilling to vote for 3rd party candidates

If voters continually use the argument that 3rd party candidates aren't viable, they never will be.  Don represents my views, not Mary Jo or Steve.

I'd be more enthusiastic about third parties if the winner of the race had to win by a 50%+ majority. Otherwise, the two candidates with the closest positions will always split their vote and will always lose.

Take the case of the 15th District: If the intent is for the most hideous candidate to win (e.g. Kilroy) splitting the vote of the Republican/Conservative electorate will accomplish that.  The theory goes that from a Carter we get a Reagan. But in a similar situation, that is how the Chinese obtained super-computers too.

More sympathetic I cannot be. I just can't stomach Kilroy.

It is more basic than that. OH-15 is a center-left district. The only way to have a Republican serving in OH-15 is to run a centrist, and Senator Stivers is a centrist.

Based on the positions he has taken, what would've kept him from running in the primary against Kilroy?

http://www.news3online.com/index.php?code=63L2OQ0M39ers956unV0

If only it were true...

And the winner is: Kilroy!
Of course, her 3 challengers combined had more votes than she did, but in the end the Republicans/Conservatives/Small-government-loving individuals split the vote and we get the worst of all possibilities.

I'd be more enthusiastic about third parties if the winner of the race had to win by a 50%+ majority. Otherwise, the two candidates with the closest positions will always split their vote and will always lose.

Take the case of the 15th District: If the intent is for the most hideous candidate to win (e.g. Kilroy) splitting the vote of the Republican/Conservative electorate will accomplish that.  The theory goes that from a Carter we get a Reagan. But in a similar situation, that is how the Chinese obtained super-computers too.

More sympathetic I cannot be. I just can't stomach Kilroy.

I equally couldn't stomach Stivers and Kilroy.  You can blame the ORP and RNC for the outcome.  Had they picked someone that even seemed a bit conservative, he may have garnered more votes.  However, the powers that be anointed Stivers who is more liberal than some in the Democrat party.

I will no longer vote the lesser of two evils or to cut my loses.  There's a problem with the current system and both parties.  I refuse to support it (them).

The root cause of the election of Mary Jo Kilroy is Mark Noble and Don Eckart. People that voted for Noble or Eckart will be represented by a candidate who, for the most part, is 180 degrees out of phase with their thinking.

Want more? Rep-Elect Harris beat Brad Lewis by 800 votes in OH-19 (state). The libertarian in the race got 2000 votes and Brad Lewis was plenty conservative.

In fact, for all you "vote for a third party" types out there, can anyone name any situation where a vote for the third party had the intended effect of getting someone elected who agrees with the vote caster?

Ventura?

Voting for Stivers was a less attractive option

Vote for Stivers: Wins-Candidate you don't agree with, Loses-Candidate you don't agree with
3rd Party: Wins-Agree, Loses-Same as above.

You should blame the failure on Stivers, if the blame goes to a sole candidate.  He wasn't attractive enough, plain and simple.  You can't assume that those that voted for a Noble or Eckhart would've voted for Stivers.  This was the very reason why they didn't vote for Stivers.  My assumption would be that they wouldn't have even voted for a candidate, thus, the same outcome, only Kilroy would've had a majority.

I know, I know, we shouldn't have even won the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, but we did due to a brave few who were no longer going to support the status quo.

Are you saying that you don't agree with Stivers on the same percentage of issues that you don't agree with Kilroy?

I don't understand that. On the spectrum, Stivers is a moderate and Kilroy is a liberal. It is logical to assume that any conservative would agree with Stivers about half the time and agree with Kilroy none of the time.

The place for these kinds of battles is in the primaries.
Else we will always lose.
Lose enough times and you won't recognize your country.
Yes, it is bad now, but it can be a lot worse.

I won't be happy until the federal government is less than 50% of its present size.
But, to be sure, the only sign on the horizon is that it is going to get a lot bigger.

Sometimes it is better to be cunning than confrontational.