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The 912 Project - Glenn Beck

912 Group of Central Ohio

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[H. J. R. No. 7:]

Ohio Legislation Alert: HJR 7 Eliminate Term Limits and Restrictions

http://oneoarinthewater.blogspot.com/2008/09/ohio-legislation-alert-hjr-7-eliminate.html

State Representative Tyrone K. Yates (D-33rd District) has put forward HJR 7 To Eliminate The Term Limits And Restrictions. This is a piece of legislation all Ohioans should support because term limits in any form prevent the citizen from voting for who they want and not be restricted from doing so.

Ask yourself, especially if you are a Republican voter, has term limits helped or hindered Ohio? Considering we are between 46th and 49th in every economic category among the other U.S. States, I would have to say hands down it hasn’t.

H. J. R. No. 7: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/res.cfm?ID=127_HJR_7

Term limits were voted in by the voters.  Apparently they (the voters) approved and maybe still do.  For a number of reasons The Shadow does not approve of term limits. 

The Shadow knows 

Term limits are an illogical reserve held by the left due to their fear of good conservatives staying in power for too long.

Term limits are an illogical reserve held by the left due to their fear of good conservatives staying in power for too long.

Too funny.  When will conservatives stop blaming every stupid idea on the "left"

Term limits were pushed by the Republicans in the 90s as a part of the "Contract with America".  Although originally intended to deal with Congressional "job security" it infected and affected states.  In Ohio for instance it hastened the retirement of  Democratic House speaker Riffe.

For more information read the link below.  The Cato Institute is certainly not a "leftist" "think" tank.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-221.html

The Shadow was there then

Yes I actually agree with the Shadow here.  Term Limits is typically a Conservative issue.  CATO is primarily a libertarian think tank.

There are conservative who oppose or who have opposed them i.e. Henry Hyde.

I have a notion that elected office should be limited and elected officials should return to the private sector to experience the effects of what they did in office.

I am curious why The Shadow doesn't like Term Limits

Term limits are an illogical reserve held by the left due to their fear of good conservatives staying in power for too long.

Term limits were pushed by the Republicans in the 90s as a part of the "Contract with America".

Shadow, I don't agree with whalertly, but you can't say that as if that's the first time the idea was toss around.

Term limits were always a "gentleman's agreement" as far as the White House was concerned. For the most part, presidents agreed to serve  no more than two terms, then quietly go away, for fear of creating a de facto monarchy.

It wasn't until FDR that it had to be officially addressed.

You remember FDR, right? He's the president who brought us such wonderful civil advancements as price controls, rationing, and relocation camps for Japanese-Americans -- it was the consolidation of power that occurred through his four years as president that caused Republicans in the 80th congress to suggest the the 22nd amendment, making official what was before considered common sense.

Although it was a Republican idea, it had wide bi-partisan support among both houses and almost all of the states.

It's one of those things that alternately seems like a good idea and then a bad idea, depending on recent history and who happens to be in power.

Peter

- A good recap of what led to the 22nd Amendment.

I was thinking of the GOP trying to pass Congressional Term Limits off the Contract with America in 1995.

Term limits are an illogical reserve held by the left due to their fear of good conservatives staying in power for too long.

Term limits were pushed by the Republicans in the 90s as a part of the "Contract with America".

Shadow, I don't agree with whalertly, but you can't say that as if that's the first time the idea was toss around.

Term limits were always a "gentleman's agreement" as far as the White House was concerned. For the most part, presidents agreed to serve  no more than two terms, then quietly go away, for fear of creating a de facto monarchy.

It wasn't until FDR that it had to be officially addressed.

You remember FDR, right? He's the president who brought us such wonderful civil advancements as price controls, rationing, and relocation camps for Japanese-Americans -- it was the consolidation of power that occurred through his four years as president that caused Republicans in the 80th congress to suggest the the 22nd amendment, making official what was before considered common sense.

Although it was a Republican idea, it had wide bi-partisan support among both houses and almost all of the states.

It's one of those things that alternately seems like a good idea and then a bad idea, depending on recent history and who happens to be in power.

The internment camps are perfectly constitutional. Also, don't forget, FDR won us the war AND got us out of the depression.

Term limits are useful in getting rid of idiots who have a lot of local support; however, they are illogical as we are forced to get rid of some of the best leaders due to their servitude. Democracy is about power to the people, let's give them the power of choice.

I would be more inclined to abandon term limits if politicians from other states did not have the power to raid my pocketbook for their pet projects.

Credo:

"I am curious why The Shadow doesn't like Term Limits"

For serveral reasons:

it forces good legislators out.  For instance, Jo Ann Davidson was speaker of the House but was term limited out, also, Jim Hughes if it weren't that Stivers is running for the US house Ohio would have lost Hughes.  Both constitute losses for good government.

On the other hand, there is the advantage of getting rid of weak legislators, Wolpert comes to mind (although he is running for the State Board of Ed and unfortunately might get elected because of name recognition).

The other disadvantage is the loss of institutional memory, knowing what works and what does not.  Legislators become targets of lobbyists who take advantage of their newness and ignorance.  Additionally, by being forced to quit legislators do not have to take responsibility for their mistakes.

As far as the 22nd amendment..  Remember that Roosevelt was a wartime president and it is unlikely that the public would have wanted to change horses (so to speak) in mid stream.  On the other hand Regan and possibly Clinton might have been re-elected for a third term.

Remeber people are against Congress but not (in general) against their congressman/woman who brings home the "bacon"

Another provocative statement.  The Shadow favors certain type of earmarks.

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God I love it when Dr. Otto****** Marxist talks from both sides of his mouth.

Counter:

"I would be more inclined to abandon term limits if politicians from other states did not have the power to raid my pocketbook for their pet projects."

So, your (Ohio) legislators do not have pet projects that raid the pocketbooks of folk in other states.  Note that Alaska (the home of the governor/VP candidate that now does not like earmarks) received $300 per capita in earmarks vs. an average of $34 for other states.  In fact, her town received close to $27 Millions while she was mayor for an astounding average of about $2700 per capita.  (One source gives the population of Wasilla at 10K).  Of course she had as a Washington lobbyist Stevens ex chief of staff.

They lie and you buy. How naive can you get!!

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talks from both sides of his mouth

It take intelligence and discrimination to be able to see and accept more than one side (the one that agrees with one's prejudices) of any issue.

The Shadow knows