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Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« on: March 18, 2009, 03:22:13 PM »
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Britain apologises for 'Third World' hospital
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.09affc88c9815310300a92378aed0564.2f1&show_article=1
Quote from: Breitbart.com
The British government apologised Wednesday after a damning official report into a hospital likened by one patient's relative to "a Third World" health centre.
[...]
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected in a three-year period at the
National Health Service (NHS) hospital
, according to an investigation by the Healthcare Commission watchdog.
[...]
Receptionists with no medical training were left to to assess patients arriving at the hospital's accident and emergency department, the report found.
[...]
"What we saw in those eight weeks will haunt us for the rest of our lives," said the 47-year-old. "We saw patients drinking out of flower vases they were so thirsty.
I have an idea... Let's do what England is doing! Free (substandard & deadly) health care for everyone!
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 07:55:09 PM »
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Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors
The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 09:57:36 AM »
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"Representative" Massa of New York:
I will vote against the interests of my district
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/aug/16/video-rep-massa-i-will-vote-against-interests-my-d/
[Video transcript]
MASSA: I will vote for the single payer bill.
PARTICIPANT: Even if it meant you were being voted out of office?
MASSA: I will vote adamantly against the interests of my district if I actually think what I am doing is going to be helpful.
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
Repeal the 17th Amendment
"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson
Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 09:58:01 AM »
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The reason any type of socialism fails is because it 1) eliminates incentives for producers, and 2) the subsequent inferiority/shortage of produced goods forces the distributor to engage in market-clearing (e.g., long waits, elaborate protocols). Unfortunately, given that envy and laziness are hard-wired into our species, every generation will probably have to learn this lesson over and over again. Thomas Jefferson was right when he said "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
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"Men are qualified for civil liberties in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites....Men of intemperate minds cannot be free."
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 01:14:52 PM »
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monopsony defined: a market in which one buyer is so large that it can control suppliers and ruin competitors
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 02:31:42 PM »
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Foreshadowing?
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Wisconsin requiring Catholic institutions to provide contraception coverage
A provision in the new state budget mandates the coverage as a “benefit.”
The bishops charged that the state government’s mandate violates constitutional rights as well as religious values, citing the right of conscience established in the Wisconsin Constitution. Religious freedom also includes the ability to publicly witness to one’s values in what one does and in what one declines to do, they explained.
“Nowhere does the Constitution say that the right of conscience is protected except in matters related to human reproduction,” their statement said. “Whatever course we pursue in this matter, we want all Catholics in Wisconsin to know that we will also continue to affirm and communicate the teachings of our faith.”
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16914
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
Repeal the 17th Amendment
"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson
Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 06:30:25 AM »
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UK: The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209034/The-babies-born-hospital-corridors-Bed-shortage-forces-4-000-mothers-birth-lifts-offices-hospital-toilets.html
UK: Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2009, 09:46:48 PM »
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LA Congresswoman Praises Cuban Revolution & Castro’s Health Care System
"You can think whatever you want to about Fidel Castro, but he was one of the brightest leaders I have ever met."
Rep. Diane Watson [D] made some astonishing comments including claims that those opposed to health care reform are attempting to destroy a president “who looks like me.”
Later, Watson praised heath care in Fidel Castro’s Cuba — and, it seemed, the Cuban revolution itself.
http://www.breitbart.tv/la-congresswoman-praises-cuban-revolution-castros-health-care-system/
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2009, 06:57:21 AM »
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http://www.youtube.com/v/hIKPKjl0-pg&rel=0
"This used to be America," argued a protester outside a health-care town hall meeting in Reston, Va., after a police officer threatened him with arrest for holding up a sign with a picture critical of Barack Obama.
The officer's response?
"It ain't no more, OK?"
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2009, 09:06:27 PM »
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Rationed care is coming, and the death panels will not be far behind.
Between 2012 and 2030, 74 million baby boomers will retire, cease to be the major contributors to Medicare and become the major drain on Medicare. How long will an overtaxed labor force in a de-Christianized America be willing to pay the bill to keep all those aging boomers alive? (Already, almost a third of all unborn babies in America have their lives terminated each year with the consent of their mothers.)
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=107527
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2009, 09:43:36 AM »
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John Stossel: Insurance Makes Healthcare Far More Expensive
http://www.youtube.com/v/3WnS96NVlMI&rel=0
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
Repeal the 17th Amendment
"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson
Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 03:50:04 PM »
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How to prove you are crude and not very bright:
http://www.youtube.com/v/yt66eWnjoTo&rel=0
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2009, 01:25:29 PM »
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Favorite Video
This one is my new favorite video:
http://www.youtube.com/v/LO2eh6f5Go0&rel=0
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2009, 07:33:45 AM »
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"The Government Can"
The reality is that No, the government can't.
Years ago a professor of mine would object whenever a member of the class would utter a phrase containing a modal term such as 'can' or 'can't', 'could' or 'couldn't', or 'possible' or 'impossible'. He would remind the student that there are no generic modals.
That's the mistake this video makes, viz., assuming that 'can' is a generic modal.
Theoretically -- logically -- the government can take all your money.
In reality it can't.
Theoretically - or logically speaking you could transport the entire country of the United States of America to Mars tomorrow. No laws of logic prevent it.
In reality you can't. Given the current state of technology, the laws of nature prevent it.
There is a big difference between theory and reality.
That's why I remain an ideological sceptic.
As an ideological enthusiast I can see why you like this video.
I use the term 'enthusiasm' in Hume's sense
http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/hume.superstition.html
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Re: Nationalized Health Care and You: Horror Stories
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2009, 10:10:16 AM »
Vocal Observer
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The United States Constitution
Article 1, Section 8
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The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Sixteenth Amendment
Quote
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Congress has the authority of taxation.
Congress has the authority to tax 100% (everything) of everything.
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
Repeal the 17th Amendment
"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson
Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
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