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« on: June 22, 2009, 12:21:27 PM »
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France takes one more step toward secularizing society and infringing upon religion

On the surface, the burqa seems to be "suppressive," but it's traditional, modest dress of Muslim women.  How would we react if Christian women were barred from wearing veils to mass?

This "progressive" action actually restricts the freedom of these women.  I would expect that if these women are committed to wearing the burqa they would either

1)opt to protest the government's decision by wearing the burqa in public
or
2)not leave the house

Thus, in effect, the French government is further suppressing the rights of these women.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528105,00.html

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PARIS —  President Nicolas Sarkozy says France "cannot accept" that women are forced to wear full-body Islamic gowns.

Sarkozy says wearing the burqa or niqab isn't about religion, it's about freedom and women's dignity.

The French leader told a joint session of parliament Monday that the burqa is "a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement" and that it "will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic."
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 04:44:18 PM »
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Strange thing though, I rather have someone come in to my store with a side arm on their hip or under their jacket than a shotgun under their burqa.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 07:20:38 PM »
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While you may be more suspicious of one over the other, both are equally dangerous.  Should we ban trench coats due to what they can hide?  Should we ban hair dye, contacts, razors and makeup for their abilities to mask someone's identity?

As the owner of a private business you may serve and not serve whomever you choose.  However, for the sole purpose of appeasing your fears, you can't tell someone how they can and cannot live if they aren't affecting anyone else.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 09:52:39 AM »
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I agree with you on a theoretical level. And I am speaking as a private business participant.

But I also predict that when the day comes, and it will come, male Muslims will be wearing the burqas down Main Street USA with bomb belts strapped to themselves. How do I know? They have done it already in the Middle East. The burqa being much more effective than a trenchcoat.

I would also prefer MUCH stricter immigration controls - I bring this up from the standpoint I don't believe you can have OPEN borders AND preserve our freedom-loving lifestyle. I think this is what the Europeans are experiencing right now. I don't hear any women's groups complaining about the burqa in France. This is about an unarmed citizenry that is afraid of who is behind the mask.

The Liberals want open borders, gun-control, and the ability to conspire without fear.

I would rather have secure borders, the 2nd amendment, and freedom of association. It is a much better combination.

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 02:18:51 PM »
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True.  Immigration policy is a nation's prerogative.  However, standards of assimilation should be established after the fact based on the every changing political climate.  France brought the problem onto themselves. 

Thankfully, we haven't had any of the tactics you described occur on our soil.  I'm inclined to link that there is a reason for this rather than it being a matter of chance, but I don't have the answer.
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