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Issue 2: Livestock Board
« on: October 06, 2009, 09:22:28 AM »
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Issue 2 would amend the Ohio state constitution to create a Livestock Board with unchecked power over livestock rules and regulations.
While masquerading as an attempt to improve food safety and animal welfare, Issue 2 would give a dozen political appointees broad and unchecked power to decide rules on how animals are raised, tracked or traced.
http://www.ohioact.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Issue2.pdf
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 03:07:12 PM »
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We need to do some more digging on this one. I am being told that Issue 2 is an attempt to make a pre-emptive strike to prevent outsiders (outside Ohio) from coming in and telling us how to perform our agriculture businesses.
I need more info on this one.
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 03:47:25 PM »
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Contrary to supporters, I fail to see how this promotes Ohio food and local ag.
All I see is more regulation and government
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I am being told that Issue 2 is an attempt to make a pre-emptive strike to prevent outsiders (outside Ohio) from coming in and telling us how to perform our agriculture businesses.
Federal government Chicago-style would be the only entity capable of coming into Ohio and telling us how to run ag.
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This proposed amendment would:
1. Require the state to create the Livestock Care Standards Board to prescribe standards for
animal care and well-being that endeavor to maintain food safety, encourage locally
grown and raised food, and protect Ohio farms and families.
2. Authorize this bipartisan board of thirteen members to consider factors that include, but
are not limited to, agricultural best management practices for such care and well-being,
biosecurity, disease prevention, animal morbidity and mortality data, food safety
practices, and the protection of local, affordable food supplies for consumers when
establishing and implementing standards.
3. Provide that the board shall be comprised of thirteen Ohio residents including
representatives of Ohio family farms, farming organizations, food safety experts,
veterinarians, consumers, the dean of the agriculture department at an Ohio college or
university and a county humane society representative.
4. Authorize the Ohio department that regulates agriculture to administer and enforce the
standards established by the board, subject to the authority of the General Assembly.
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 11:17:52 AM »
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Yesterday, I received a mailing from "Ohioans for Livestock Care PAC". Who is funding this PAC and what do they have to gain?
The mailer reads:
"For generations, Ohio farmers have provided us the same safe, locally grown food they feed their own families. Yes for Issue 2 will help to ensure that continues for generations to come."
This insults then intelligence of Ohioans! If we haven't had the need for this in the past, why do we need it now?
For too long, the powers that be have benefited from the people's trust. We can no longer take their word for it. Simple questioning of their argument proves that it is irrational. This is a vote for Big Government to assist Big Ag.
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 12:23:21 PM »
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Where is the proof of this "extreme regulation"? It sounds like Issue 2 will do exactly what it plans to prevent.
From:
http://www.safelocalohiofood.org/
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Issue 2 is a far better plan than extreme measures offered by
Washington-based advocates for veganism and “animal rights” who
seek extreme, costly, anti-farming regulations that will burden the production of
meat, milk and eggs until these products are no longer affordable to Ohioans.
6. Unwise and extreme regulation would drive agriculture from Ohio,
putting thousands of Ohio farmers out of work, reducing our local supply of food, and
forcing us to rely on food production from other states, and other countries like
Mexico and China. Issue 2 will assure a balanced approach to livestock care rules
reflecting broad input, rather than input from a single interest group.
7. Meat, milk and eggs account for nearly 70 percent of the protein in Ohio diets, protein
essential for growth of our children and health of adults. Large increase s in the
prices of protein that would result from unwise, e xtreme regulation
would hurt Ohio families , and be devastating to poor families and their children.
The I s sue 2 Board would produce standards and regulations based on
science and research, and
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 12:46:35 PM »
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Vote No on Issue 2
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/?p=296
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Questions About Issue 2
By Clint Zeigler
Who should have the final say as to how livestock are raised and cared for in the state of Ohio?
This November House Joint Resolution 2 will be on the ballot as Issue 2. This proposed resolution will create the Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board, which will establish standards governing the care and well-being of livestock and poultry in Ohio. This board will have “exclusive authority” in establishing these standards, being “subject only to the General Assembly”.
This means that
livestock farmers will no longer have the right to make their own judgments as to how they raise their own livestock unless it conforms to the standards the board deems acceptable.
This thirteen member board will be made up of ten Governor appointed members, one member appointed by the President of the Senate, one appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the director of the state department that regulates agriculture who shall be the chairperson.
We are being told that this board will protect farms from animal rights groups, but
what will protect the farmers from the total state control of their farm
. After reading the proposed resolution, I have several questions I’d like to ask concerning Issue 2.
*
Why has the Ohio Farmers Union decided to oppose issue 2 in their August meeting?
* Will I need a license or permit to own and raise livestock in this state?
* Will special training and classes be required to obtain right to raise livestock?
* Will someone come to my farm to ensure that I follow the guidelines set forth from this board, without search warrants or probable cause?
* Will I be a criminal, and subject to fines/prison if I disagree with the standards set by the board and fail to comply?
* Will these board members be paid? If so, who decides their salary?
* How will the actions of this board be funded? And by whom, tax payers or farmers?
* How will their decrees be enforced?
* How long will their term be? Indefinite or limited?
* Why is this board given “excusive authority to establish standards governing the care and well-being of livestock and poultry in this state” instead of the farmer?
* Why are the members of this board appointed (10 by Governor) and not voted into their position by the farmers themselves?
*
What appeal process will be available for those who wish to challenge the standards set by this board?
And will that require a fee also?
* Why is the only requirement for two of these board members is that they consume food?
*
Why only three family farmers? Won’t they be out numbered by the other 10 non-farmers.
* What effect will this have on organic and all natural farms?
*
Do farmers lack intelligence and need someone to regulate and instruct them how to farm? And why is fear being used to provoke the acceptance of this amendment?
* Will this board view livestock as the private property of the farmers and a Divine right to govern them as their own conscience directs? Or is their livestock the property of the state?
* Will this board establish rules regarding vaccines?
* Will I be required to keep updated farm records and submit them annually to this board?
*
Will the Amish of Ohio be exempt of any rules that may be established if it would be found to contradict their religious beliefs?
* Why would we want to establish a government entity to “protect us (farmers) from special interest groups when the very way these groups achieve their goals is to lobby and control government entities?
* Doesn’t this proposed amendment contradict the original FFA Creed. paragraph three? Which states:
I believe in leadership from ourselves and respect from others. I believe in my own ability to work efficiently and think clearly, with such knowledge and skill as I can secure, and in the ability of organized farmers to serve our own and public interest in marketing the product of our toil. I believe we can safeguard those rights against practices and policies that are unfair.
*
If I have sworn the oath of the Pledge Of Allegiance which professes “Liberty and Justice for all”, since this amendment takes the liberty to raise livestock from an individual farmer and gives it into the direct control of the state, would I be committing hypocrisy according to my spoken oath?
* Are horses included under the authority of this Board? If not, shouldn’t they be protected from animal rights groups too and be subject to the standards decreed by this board?
* Is the only way to protect livestock farms in Ohio from animal rights groups is to have them hand over their liberty and trust the state?
Are their other options available?
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 03:42:59 PM »
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"Just an FYI from Dan Perkins. Dan is willing to mail 2-3 bumper stickers that say, "The Right thing to do, Vote NO on 2."
If you want copies, please send Dan a self-addressed stamped envelope and he can get them out to you in about a week.
Please include a $1 donation as this helps him cover his costs. You can contact Dan at 740-967-8971 or fax him at 740-967-2953. His mailing address is P.O. Box 456, Johnstown, OH 43031"
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2009, 10:00:04 AM »
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Today: Issue 2 debate on campus
A debate and Q&A session on the November Ballot Initiative, Issue 2, The Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board will take place at 8 p.m. today (10/19) in 100 Independence Hall. The debate will include Maurice Thompson of the Buckeye Institute, Roger Wise, president of the Ohio Farmers Union, Ohio House Representative and issue 2 co-sponsor Margaret Ruhl, and OSU professor of agriculture Thomas Marshall. The event is free and open to the public. Contact: Dave Grabaskas, mailto:yalosu@gmail.com. Read more:
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/?page_id=308
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2009, 02:50:32 PM »
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Forgive my ignorance, where is this?
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 02:57:05 PM »
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OSU Map:
http://www.osu.edu/map/building.php?building=338
Publc parking and Google directions are also available at the link.
See you there.
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 10:31:52 AM »
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Did anyone make it? I didn't see any familiar faces. The thing that struck me the most was that out of the 6 panelists, the OH house legislator that proposed the house version of the bill seemed to be the most uneducated on the subject.
Not surprised, but disappointed, yet again.
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 01:33:12 PM »
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Hey, she is a Republican somebody paid to have the bill introduced.
The Shadow is cynical
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 11:48:56 AM »
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Town Hall video:
http://blip.tv/play/AYGo_R0C
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 01:58:53 PM »
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Farm States Watching As Ohio Votes on Livestock Rules
Why is the following at the bottom of the article?
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Approval of Issue 2 would not prevent animal rights groups from trying to ban farm animal cages, but it would force them to gather more signatures for a spot on the ballot.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56236
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Re: Issue 2: Livestock Board
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 03:11:01 PM »
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Issue 2 foes speaking up
Amendment favors agribusiness forces, would be bad for small farmers, they say
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Opponents of state Issue 2 painted the constitutional debate yesterday as a battle of big guys and little guys: factory megafarms versus small family farms and consumers.
"We, as the little guys, are constantly under pressure," said Warren Taylor, owner of Snowville Creamery in Pomeroy in Meigs County. "We are concerned about our very survival,"
Taylor said he views creation of a powerful Ohio Livestock Standards Board as unwelcome "government intervention."
"Issue 2 could regulate me out of business," he added.
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/10/28/copy/ANTI_ISSUE2.ART_ART_10-28-09_B1_CQFGF73.html?adsec=politics&sid=101
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