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« on: January 27, 2010, 10:28:04 AM »
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The greatest of Ohio is in its people, not in more government programs.


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"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson

Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2010, 10:40:11 AM »
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Remember that the Republicans and their ideology controlled Ohio for 16 years, then the legislature was all Republican until 2 years ago, still the Senate is in Republican hands but of course it is all the fault of Liberals.  Ideology will not solve the problems.  The Shadow was around when Kasich was in the Ohio senate and saw him in action.  If he is elected with a Republican legislature it will be more of the stuff that sank Ohio: a lack of investment in human capital  What Strickland proposed is a reversal of that failed policy.

The Shadow is cynical and pessimistic  Cry
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 11:09:57 AM »
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OOps forgot to add this truism which will be operational if the Republicans come back to power in Ohio:

"insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"   Grin Grin
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 11:18:21 AM »
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You complain about ideology, but you're the one stuck in the left:right paradigm.  Career politicians and the parties are destroying Ohio.  We don't have leadership.  Ohians go to the booth like sheep and vote for the party's anointed soon-to-be failure.  Look at these races (non-political candidates are either ignored by the 2 parties or running as 3rd party candidates):

Ohio
Elections & Elected Officials


Governor:
Strickland
Kasich

SOS:
Garrisson
Husted

Senate:
Brown
Portman

rinse and repeat
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
Repeal the 17th Amendment

"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson

Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 05:18:12 PM »
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"Ohians go to the booth like sheep and vote for the party's anointed soon-to-be failure."  Amen

But actually it is worse, a person of the other party with any streak of independence will not make it.  Case in point:  Paula Brooks running against Tiberi.  A very effective county commissioner has little chance against a mediocre legislator.  People do not look at the merits but rather at party affiliation.  Running against someone like Tiberi is not being anointed but rather being put up as a sacrificial lamb.    The mantra is lower taxes smaller government without thinking/saying how to pay for services and who will deliver them.  Sounds good but impractical and yet when people hear that, they salivate like Pavlovian dogs.  Grin

"You complain about ideology, but you're the one stuck in the left:right paradigm"

 Perhaps but the paradigm well describes the current situation.  Call it what you might but there still are many ways to look at life and governance but nothing constructive will happen until there is an agreement that the good of the country/state is paramount and that no one has all the answers.  I have not seen any third party candidate that does not fit within the paradigm.

Call it socialism but there are things that work better if we do them together rather than individually.  Health care is one.  Our industry is at a competitive disadvantage because it has to pay (either directly, or indirectly in the form of higher salaries) while in other countries (and Massachusets) a pool that includes both young and old serves the population as a whole. 

It is also important to realize that the mess we all are in will not be solved in a short time.

What really matters is the realization that the mess we are in is our own(well not the Shadow's  Grin) fault.  We expect and indeed glory in conflict.  Fox news, its ascendancy and its shrill, out of breath, buggy eyed commentators are proof of this inclination.

The Shadow is still cynical and pessimistic Cry

 
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 05:38:52 PM »
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...the good of the country/state is paramount...

This is the problem with the paradigm.  You have the "left" and the "right" who honestly believe they know how to define "good" and they take a pragmatic view in seeing it through that "good" is accomplished.  Limits to power exist to protect the country from these points-of-view.

To what point are you willing to give up your liberty and property for the "good of the country/state"?  It's safe to say the "good" has never been sufficiently accomplished in the history of the earth until death; thus, we haven't given up enough.  Can we ever?
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The Principle of Subsidiarity
Repeal the 17th Amendment

"peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Th. Jefferson

Oh yea... Run Paul Run!
 
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