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[Notice the pejorative "tea bagger."]

The Central Planners here at Red Square were making quite a bit of noise about the guy in a wheelchair at the Kilroy rally being spit on and having dollar bills thrown at him.  It just shows how violent and base the tea partiers are.

Well, here is a Dispatch article on the incident (and it doesn't mention spitting):

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/03/24/ex-scientist-fears-loss-of-political-civility.html?sid=101

I wasn't there so I can't comment on the incident.  But I do want to point out something in the article.  In fact, the very last line: "There was the slightest glint of hope in Letcher's eye when he added, "And he was a Tea Bagger.""

Notice the pejorative "tea bagger."

So much for civility. I don't know the guy but I know the type like the back of my hand; a self-important, know-it-all but infinitely superior (both morally and intellectually) because of his PhD.  I'll bet he exuded obnoxiousness the moment he got there and let everybody know that he had a PhD.

Just a guess, mind you.  I see it every weekday here.  And sometimes twice on Sundays.

[Crying racism is the last refuge of scoundrels. And, paraphrasing satirist Ambrose Bierce, we beg to submit that it is the first.]

TB,

Whatever do you mean? /s

Actually I think dissension and thus critical thought, leadership and principles are discouraged today in society regardless of whose voice it is.

EDITORIAL: The race card canard

Democrats play dirty pool to pass Obamacare
The most despicable smear to come out of weekend rallies in Washington were unsubstantiated charges that Obamacare protesters shouted racial slurs at black members of Congress walking from the Cannon House Office Building to the Capitol. No evidence backs this up.

This story was first peddled by Rep. Andre Carson, Indiana Democrat, who seemed "almost giddy" telling the tale to the press, according to a Washington Times reporter who was there. Many news organizations reported these charges uncritically even though the people making the claims were the primary political beneficiaries of the tales.
...
Crying racism is the last refuge of scoundrels. And, paraphrasing satirist Ambrose Bierce, we beg to submit that it is the first.

Credo was actually standing at the intersection when Carson and Lewis walked from the Cannon Building over to the Capitol Saturday.  The only thing I heard was "Kill The Bill!"  The Capitol Police were out in force and I might add they were doing a wonderful job.  If anyone had spit or otherwise attempted to assault a Member of Congress, that person would probably still be in jail.

So much for civility. I don't know the guy but I know the type like the back of my hand; a self-important, know-it-all but infinitely superior (both morally and intellectually) because of his PhD.  I'll bet he exuded obnoxiousness the moment he got there and let everybody know that he had a PhD.

Just a guess, mind you.  I see it every weekday here.  And sometimes twice on Sundays.


Could you give us an example of the sort of behavior you're referring to?

Is there something fundamentally wrong with being intellectually superior? And something wrong with demonstrating that superiority?3
For example, Einstein is clearly intellectually superior to all of us and every paper he ever wrote demonstrates that superiority.

What exactly is wrong with this?

Apparently it really bothers you -- why?

Isn't this just an ad hominem diatribe.

You don't address the issue -- you attack the person.

IS,

When I read your posts, I'm reminded of when Father John Corapi speaks of the Devil who turns everything upside down and the truth backwards.  You can listen to him on 1580 AM weekdays 8:00-8:45 a.m. or online at St. Gabriel Radio.

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Hmmm...I don't know what IS wrote, but it reinforces my notion that reading his posts is a monumental waste of time.

Here is the follow up article:

Man who threw money at Parkinson’s patient calls behavior ‘shameful’
Health-care bill opponent says he snapped during confrontation at rally
Thursday,  March 25, 2010 2:54 AM
By Catherine Candisky
COLUMBUS DISPATCH

The man protesting federal health-care legislation who berated and tossed dollar bills at a supporter with Parkinson's disease last week says he is remorseful - and scared.

"I snapped, I absolutely snapped, and I can't explain it any other way," said Chris Reichert in a Dispatch interview.

In his first comments on an incident caught on video that went viral across the Internet and was played repeatedly on cable-television news shows, Reichert said he is sorry about his confrontation with Robert A. Letcher, 60, of Grandview Heights.

Letcher, a former nuclear engineer who has Parkinson's, was verbally attacked as he sat before health-care-reform protesters during a rally outside U.S. Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy's district office.

"He's got every right to do what he did, and some may say I did, too, but what I did was shameful," Reichert said. "I haven't slept since that day."

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/03/25/copy/what-i-did-was-shameful.html?sid=101

Vocal Observer:

When I read your posts, I'm reminded of when Father John Corapi speaks of the Devil who turns everything upside down and the truth backwards.


Which reminds me of this:

"Very well, what do my critics say in attacking my characer? I must read out their affidavit...[I'm] guilty of criminal meddling, in that he inquires into things below the earth and in the sky, and makes the weaker argument defeat the stronger...."

The reference here is to Socrates.

Let's assume it true, viz., that I turn everything upside down and make the false appear to be true.

Maybe you're right. It's certainly true that some of my beliefs are false. No one is so perfect that all his beliefs are true.

You probably suspect that most of the beliefs I express here are false. Fine, which ones. I put them out there and I'm willing to take your criticism of them seriously -- I have no interest in burying my head in the sand and ignoring critical evaluation of my beliefs.


So, I assume that you believe that my beliefs about the incident TonyBlair refers to are all obviously false to any sensible person familiar with the event.

Here's the dispatch video of the confrontation: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/multimedia/video/video.html?video=951077

Here are my beliefs:

Belief1. Chris Reichert tossed a dollar bills at Robert Letcher -- age 60.
B2. Mr. Letcher has Parkinson's disease.
B3. Mr. Letcher was holding a sign and seated in chair and seems to remain silent during the confrontation.
B4. Mr. Letcher supports healthcare insurance reform.
B5. Mr. Letcher said nothing to Mr. Reichert to provoke him.
B6. Mr. Letcher did not claim tp know anything much less everything nor more than those who disagree with him.
B7. Mr. Letcher nither expressed nor suggest that he is morally superior to anyone.
B8. Mr. Letcher did not appear to be a wealthy man nor did he stand out as a well-educated man.
B9. Mr. Letcher did not appear to be anything other than an ordinary person.
B10. Mr. Letcher held a sign that read: "Got Parkinson's? I do. You might,"
B11. Mr. Letcher did nothing to make himself appear appear obnoxious.

TonyBlair believes otherwise.

He believes

B1'. Mr. Letcher is a certain type of person that he knows well.
B2'. Mr. Letcher has a PhD.
B3'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher believes he is more important than other people without a PhD.
B4'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher is a know-it-all.
B5'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher believes he is infinitely morally superior to those without a PhD.
B6'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher believes he is infinitely intellectually superior to those without a PhD.
B7'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher probably continuously acted obnoxiously  at the event.
B8'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher probably advertised that fact at the event.

This is based on the following from TonyBlair.

"So much for civility. I don't know the guy but I know the type like the back of my hand; a self-important, know-it-all but infinitely superior (both morally and intellectually) because of his PhD.  I'll bet he exuded obnoxiousness the moment he got there and let everybody know that he had a PhD."

Perhaps I'm totally misinterpreting the situation and TonyBlair. Perhaps each one of my belifs B1-B11 are false.
Perhaps TonyBlair actually rejects each of the beliefs B1' - B8' that I attribute to him.

If you think that any of my beliefs are false please correct me.


Now it seems to me that TonyBlair is not addressing any of Mr. Letcher's beliefs about healthcare. He is simply attacking Mr. Letcher as an instance of a certain type of person.

Again, if I am mistaken on this and TonyBlair did address Mr. Letcher's actual beliefs. feel free to correct me.

Finally, feel free to criticize me and my beliefs as much as you like. Realize though that criticizing me personally, does not constitute a criticism of my beliefs or a criticism of my arguments for those beliefs.


Can you make any sense of this?:

"Hmmm...I don't know what IS wrote, but it reinforces my notion that reading his posts is a monumental waste of time."

[Curiously, Stupak chose not to make public any of the harassing calls and threats leveled against him waaayyy back when he was still seen as a major obstacle to Obamacare's passage. Even after one report emerged that Stupak was facing relentless intimidation from the Left, there were no breathless bulletins, no public hand-wringing, no front page headlines. Curiouser. Indeed, mere days before his epic cave-job, The Hill reported how Stupak's life had become a "living hell]

Selective Outrage Over Stupak Threats  [Guy Benson]

The MSM is melting down over the alleged (and deeply troubling, natch) wave of threats and violence directed at members of Congress who ignored the will of the people by passing Obamacare. This meme is pathetic. Virtually everyone who cuts a public political profile receives hateful correspondence and, yes, physical threats.  (Even this lowly blogger has even received some nasty ones over the years). It's lamentable, and it's wrong.

Democrats have decided to exploit this reality by undertaking a transparent self-victimization campaign — and the media is enthusiastically along for the ride.  Liberals are trying to engender sympathy to distract from their own unpopular actions. James Clyburn says Republicans who encouraged protesters over the weekend, "aided terrorism." Russ Carnahan is dishonestly claiming a casket was left on his front lawn, constituting a death threat. Republican Eric Cantor, whose campaign headquarters was recently shot up, has been forced to jump into the fray to remind everyone that nutters exist on both ends of the spectrum.

Now, the infamous Bart Stupak is getting in on the act. Stupak has released a series of offensive voicemails he received after abandoning his "principled" stand against public abortion funding in the health care bill. The contents of these messages are, indeed, venomous and totally inappropriate. The media is eagerly circulating the audio because it fuels their "look out, the crazy wingnuts are gettin' dangerous" narrative.

Curiously, Stupak chose not to make public any of the harassing calls and threats leveled against him waaayyy back when he was still seen as a major obstacle to Obamacare's passage. Even after one report emerged that Stupak was facing relentless intimidation from the Left, there were no breathless bulletins, no public hand-wringing, no front page headlines. Curiouser. Indeed, mere days before his epic cave-job, The Hill reported how Stupak's life had become a "living hell":

    The fight has taken a toll on [Stupak's] wife, who has disconnected the phone in their home to avoid harassment.

    “All the phones are unplugged at our house — tired of the obscene calls and threats. She won’t watch TV,” Stupak said during an hourlong interview with The Hill in his Rayburn office. “People saying they’re going to spit on you and all this. That’s just not fun.”

(Funny: I thought only Conservatives were spitters).

Pro-life Democrat Bart Stupak, standing in the way of "change," is threatened by Leftists: MSM snoozer. Pro-life Democrat Bart Stupak, paving the way for a government power grab by abandoning his long-held position, is threatened by right-wingers: MSM national crisis.

Gee, you'd think the mainstream press overwhelmingly favors Obamacare, or something!

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWM3NjMzNmYyNmIyM2NlMTk1ZTY5ZTFmNTkwOWUyNDU=

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Hmmm...apparently the good doctor had an "0bama blog."  He's a "political economist" dontchya know.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/bobletcher

How's this for "civility"?

"The Republican opposition just plain thinks differently, if you want to call it thinking."

He got this one bass ackward:

"0bama needs to listen to the public’s nuanced expressions of where they are coming from now. Then, in the manner of the Brazilian educator, Paulo Freire, 0bama needs to figure out ways he can lead people to learn how to work their collective way through and beyond the current “division thing”..

Poor guy:

"As no one has yet commented on my postings, i can only think that no one else sees this,"

He did get this one right:

"We simply must develop answers for "Where's the beef?" and "How are we going to go about transforming our slash and burn politics into the transcendent, "we're one America" politics that Obama's eloquently promises?"  I say "must", not just because the Republicans will clobber us if we don't answer "Where's the beef?".."

You mean there is someone out there who makes less sense than The Shadow?  Why..we have a winner!!

"They key difference here is that instead of going for a single, global solution that either completely meets the objective or cmpletely fails to meet the objective, numerous solutions are undertaken knowing that some will succeed better than others, some will fail worse than others; with the hope being that the overall combination of solutions and learning from the second approach is more favorable than the combination from the first approach.

Not being very savvy in matters of finance, I'm not sure whether this makes any sense, but -- short of implementing a "small is beautiful" solution -- it makes sense to me, and it may make sense to you. I am risking passing by this audience for your reaction."

More BS at:

http://www.thelunaticgazette.com/ev.php?URL_ID=125261&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201&reload=1239118959

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

How much you want to bet we won't see this violence in the MSM?

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/hostedemail/email.htm?h=0cec21c104235d66dd1252751358ae71&CID=6063642584&ch=4877DF3C3EC24B726A9A664EDC047798

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

CNN Lowballs Nevada Tea Party Event: 'Hundreds of People, at Least Dozens of People'; Politico Reports 20,000

By Jeff Poor

If the media outlets are going to report on tea party events, they're not likely to get any benefit of the doubt much of the time.

Case in point - at the Tea Party Express event on March 27 in Searchlight, Nev., which former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spoke, CNN's Fredericka Whitfield wasn't quite prepared to give the rally credit it was due as far as participation. She estimated that hundreds, but if not, "at least dozens of people" were in attendance. (h/t fstaff with assist from Mark Finkelstein)

"Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin there in Searchlight, Nev., was the backyard of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, but today it's the backdrop of this Tea Party Express - making a stop here," Whitfield said. "Hundreds of people, at least dozens of people - we haven't gotten a count of how many people turned out there. We heard Sarah Palin talk about everything about the campaign, to unseat Sen. Reid to what she calls ObamaCare, on the heels of that health care vote and even talking about her definition of her love of America."
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Politico's Kenneth Vogel had a little higher number, saying "an estimated 20,000 tea partiers gathered for a rally in a windswept desert lot," in his March 27 report on the event.

But Whitfield still had her own interpretation of Palin's message at the rally.

"Also trying to kind of explain or structure the language she has used about reloading America," Whitfield said. "Many people talked about some of the language that's been used by Republicans, including her as inciting violence as a result of the health care vote. She says she is not inciting violence. Instead, she says she is inspiring people to stand up for their God-given rights in her language. Sarah Palin there as she takes the steps there and heads onto that crowd. Folks, she said she is off to Massachusetts next."

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/03/27/cnn-lowballs-nevada-tea-party-event-hundreds-people-least-dozens-people-p#ixzz0jQiyjjWq

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

More Thoughts On Liberal Political Violence

The Democrats have tried to change the subject away from their health care debacle by claiming that conservatives are threatening violence against them. Their complaints are pathetic where they are not out-and-out lies (e.g., Clyburn and Lewis), and they have taken a lot of well-deserved criticism. It is liberals, not conservatives, who rely on ad hominem attacks, outrageous allegations and violent imagery. We talked about this on our radio show today, and several callers reminded us of a particularly sorry episode of liberal violence that, for some reason, has not gotten much attention: the 2008 Republican convention in St. Paul.

I attended the convention and remember the terrorist acts that were carried out by anti-Republican protesters very well. They threw bricks through the windows of buses, sending elderly convention delegates to the hospital. They dropped bags of sand off highway overpasses onto vehicles below. Fortunately, no one was killed.

These were anti-Bush and anti-Republican protesters.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025942.php

All subtle and complex reasoning is merely an attempt to confuse and obfuscate. Avoid it at all costs.



Vocal Observer:

When I read your posts, I'm reminded of when Father John Corapi speaks of the Devil who turns everything upside down and the truth backwards.


Which reminds me of this:

"Very well, what do my critics say in attacking my characer? I must read out their affidavit...[I'm] guilty of criminal meddling, in that he inquires into things below the earth and in the sky, and makes the weaker argument defeat the stronger...."

The reference here is to Socrates.

Let's assume it true, viz., that I turn everything upside down and make the false appear to be true.

Maybe you're right. It's certainly true that some of my beliefs are false. No one is so perfect that all his beliefs are true.

I take it that you have a sort of divine access to the truth. You perceive it when you see it. No need for investigation, no need for examination, no need for critical evaluation or experimentation. You hear or see something and you immediate perceive that it is true or false.

For example, Fermat's theorem for any n>2 then X^2 + Y^2 = Z^2. Now it took mathematicians about 300 years to devise a proof of the theorem. I suspect you would claim that this is all mere folderol intended to confuse the true knowers -- those with an inside track to the truth.

You don't need any complex mathematical reasoning to arrive at any proof. You simply see that it is true. Or, maybe you know that it is false and that the mathematicians are wrong. They are simply confused or they intend to confuse.

Certainly that mythical figure the Devil is a polemical genius -- he can fool everybody except those such as you and Father Corapi who have direct access to the truth. All subtle and complex reasoning is merely an attempt to confuse and obfuscate. Avoid it at all costs.

Hello IS..I thought I would throw  my 2 cents worth in as I was at the incident and the alleged Parkinsons victim sat himself down in front of me after the incident with Reichert and the other gentleman.
 

"So, I assume that you believe that my beliefs about the incident TonyBlair refers to are all obviously false to any sensible person familiar with the event.

Here's the dispatch video of the confrontation: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/multimedia/video/video.html?video=951077  Let's observe the video...as I've done numerous times...what you SEE is a man sitting on the side of an office complex drive  (obstructing traffic by the way) right in front of the anti-health care reform group. Interestingly enough the "Dispatch"  cameraman.....over on the Pro-health care side was so conveniently poised to film this incident...which I have also addressed ad nauseum on the CTP website. What yyou HEAR is 2 men telling this "Parkinsons" sufferer...."you ain't gonna find any handouts on this side of town" and Reichert.. actually handing over money to this "victim" (aren't the all?) yelling "here, Here... I'll give you some money.... I'll decide when to give you money and not the government telling me when I have to" 

Here are my beliefs: beliefs or what you have observed from the video and the "Progress Ohio" follow up interview with "Bob the Parkinsons sufferer"?

Belief1. Chris Reichert tossed a dollar bills at Robert Letcher -- age 60. Easily seen on the video.
B2. Mr. Letcher has Parkinson's disease. So he claims..but again he walked over and sat right in front of me after the incident...and as an RN I did NOT see any of the usual symptoms that goes with parkinsons disease, unsteady gate, uncontrollable hand and head tremors etc. I wouldn't hav known he had parkinsons except for his sign claiming he did.
B3. Mr. Letcher was holding a sign and seated in chair and seems to remain silent during the confrontation. He was NOT in a chair...he was on the ground, on the pavement in the side of a driveway. what you don't see is the "before video...cause convenienlty there was none of him actually walking over  and sitting down
B4. Mr. Letcher supports healthcare insurance reform.      yes that is what he claimed in the follow up video interview with "progress Ohio" on their website.. their "exclusive interview"
B5. Mr. Letcher said nothing to Mr. Reichert to provoke him. He really didn't have to say anything...other than his sign, and his confrontational positioning on the ground. The Anti-health care protestors...many of whom have NEVER been to a rally before were aleady emotionally excited just from the sheer numbers and proximity of being so close to big astroturf pro health care supporters like SEIU (yup even the union thughs came out for that event), the health care reform now group and AFP.. some individuals were actually heard saying... things  like " well that's all they are paying me for tmy time is up here. ..they were PAID to be there... I would bet a fine steak dinner that NO one on the anti health care side were PAID to be there.
 
B6. Mr. Letcher did not claim tp know anything much less everything nor more than those who disagree with him.
B7. Mr. Letcher nither expressed nor suggest that he is morally superior to anyone.
B8. Mr. Letcher did not appear to be a wealthy man nor did he stand out as a well-educated man. I would agree with that but in the Progress Ohio website exclusive follow up vidoew they claim the man has 2 masters degress and was a professor at Cornell University....Now I have to think about that one...what individual with 2 masters degrees and a professor no less has ended up looking like a pan handler ? It doesn't bode well for the education system... spend all that money on detrees and work at a prestioious university which on e would presume would have some bang up retirement fund...what DID he do with his life during and after those degrees were earne? I've known "life-long students who are so in to their intellectual high of working on their many degrees that they lose touch with "common sense" and can't even hold down a job.
B9. Mr. Letcher did not appear to be anything other than an ordinary person. That is right...he didn't appear to be anything other than...but the sheer timeing , convenient videoing and follow up interview by Progress ohio leads me to believe otherwise
B10. Mr. Letcher held a sign that read: "Got Parkinson's? I do. You might,"
B11. Mr. Letcher did nothing to make himself appear appear obnoxious. I think I just covered that with his confrontation positioning and "pan handler" appearance.

TonyBlair believes otherwise.

He believes

B1'. Mr. Letcher is a certain type of person that he knows well.
B2'. Mr. Letcher has a PhD.
B3'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher believes he is more important than other people without a PhD.
B4'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher is a know-it-all.
B5'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher believes he is infinitely morally superior to those without a PhD.
B6'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher believes he is infinitely intellectually superior to those without a PhD.
B7'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher probably continuously acted obnoxiously  at the event.
B8'. Since he has a PhD Mr. Letcher probably advertised that fact at the event.

This is based on the following from TonyBlair.

"So much for civility. I don't know the guy but I know the type like the back of my hand; a self-important, know-it-all but infinitely superior (both morally and intellectually) because of his PhD.  I'll bet he exuded obnoxiousness the moment he got there and let everybody know that he had a PhD."

Perhaps I'm totally misinterpreting the situation and TonyBlair. Perhaps each one of my belifs B1-B11 are false.
Perhaps TonyBlair actually rejects each of the beliefs B1' - B8' that I attribute to him.

If you think that any of my beliefs are false please correct me.


Now it seems to me that TonyBlair is not addressing any of Mr. Letcher's beliefs about healthcare. He is simply attacking Mr. Letcher as an instance of a certain type of person.

Again, if I am mistaken on this and TonyBlair did address Mr. Letcher's actual beliefs. feel free to correct me. Hope that helped clear some of the "facts and observations" from someone else who was there 

Here's that video Link :   http://vodpod.com/watch/3270359-targeted-by-the-tea-party-parkinsons-hero-speaks-part-2?pod=progressohio    Hero? we really throw that word around loosely now-a-days 

in freedom and in truth

Sorry the typing is off tonight ...my posting page won't "scroll down" as I'm typing it keeps shooting me backup to the top soI'm typing this almost blindfolded...any suggestions for that one?