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The 912 Project - Glenn Beck

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Counter:  Waste perhaps. But think of all the jobs that the project created at all levels of the enterprise.  OOps forgot many of those probably are union jobs and therefore "suspect" since you all think that unionized workers are "scum".    Fraud and abuse to be shown.

Fighting Donald Trump and preservationists 1.6% of the cost. Methane mitigation (maybe they should not have done that)  and historical preservation 8.1 % of the cost.  Then, there are the seismic codes.  Actually, the Shadow finds it interesting that a while back, (1990s) a $38M high school here in central Ohio was called a Taj Mahal because it was not "the high school I went to";  but then neither were the houses they lived in the houses where they grew up.

Figure than in every "public" endeavor there will be 2-5% of expenditures that some will point out as waste while others will be happy because it serves their needs (i.e. swimming pools, orchestra pits and auditoriums (should be auditoria?)

As far as STRS not to worry.  Statistically speaking will not live that long that the funds will be exhausted and, since the Republicans will come back to power, go back to do what they did, and thus fix the economy so income will be sufficient  and all will be well.   

The Shadow woke up somewhat sarcastic this morning

First of all, your "scum" comment is uncalled for since I have never given any justification for it. But you did say you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, so I won't dwell on that.

At the end of the day, it is not just about creating jobs. There has to be some value given in return. It's like paying people to rake leaves in to piles in the forest. Yes, you created jobs. But nothing of value was achieved in return; to be worthwhile it must provide future economic opportunity. When a business is created to provide goods and services (education being a type of business) there is a return on investment. But, by building a $500 million high school when a $100 million high school could have achieved the same result is disasterous; particularly considering you had to take the extra money from someone who most likely had a better, more productive use for those finite resources. (The numbers presented here are purely hypothetical.)

But hey, I'm not an academic, so what do I know.

I guess if you have it mathematically figured out that you will die before STRS collapses, and that thought is sufficiently comforting to you, then good luck with that.

I simply point out that the defined benefit plans promised by employers (mostly State-run employers) will default (in the foreseeable future). Their own reports predict it. Contracts are only as good as the credit-worthiness of the parties involved.

Waste, fraud, and abuse exist (and sometimes simply taxpayers desiring services the State can't afford to provide) whether you are willing to admit it or not. They put legitimate purposes of government (basic education likely being one of them) at risk.

In the mean time, I'm not sticking my neck out to defend past Republican administrations either.
We would both be better off to demand real fiscal responsibility. I suggest our Country's future depends on it.

You want to see the Progressives really hate the tea parties? Just start demanding these looters that have corrupted the public pension system pay for their crimes and force them all into social security. I personally will relish the day those public employees who have raped the tax payers pay for their sins, and are forced to pay into a system that they defend, but do not participate in. This separate but unequal pension system must end. Thankfully Obama demonstrated that in this "progressive America of Hope and Change" contracts don't matter. We just need a sympathetic judge and laws and rights don't matter, in fact with the right judge you get to make up rights. If contracts don't matter for the GM bond holders and share holders, contracts between the tax payers and these public employees that deliberately committed fraud by padding their overtime in the years near retirement with the help of the unions shouldn't matter either, in fact we should investigate all these public employee contracts, rule them all null and void due to corruption between the unions and their members, and force all these public pensioners into Social Security. These "public servants" think they are the now the masters. It is time to pay the piper and ban all public service unions, force all pensioners with their ill gotten pension into social security, and jail those responsible for the corruption.

You want to see the Progressives really hate the tea parties? Just start demanding these looters that have corrupted the public pension system pay for their crimes and force them all into social security.

I don't think that anything you say about the public pension system is unreasonable.

Is my position a good example of hate?

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Group Founded by Van Jones Claims FNC Lies, Proceeds to Lie About Fox, Tea Party
By Lachlan Markay


UPDATE (7:05 PM): Color of Change responds. See their response, and my response to their response, below the fold.

Reading through material from the "Turn Off Fox" campaign, one gets the very clear impression that the folks at the Fox News Channel are bold-faced liars. They have "no regard for the truth," and uses "half-truths" to push a "stream of misinformation" and "distortions of the truth."

Turn Off Fox is a project started by Color of Change, the far-left political organization founded by neo-Marxist and black liberation theologist Van Jones.

Despite Turn Off Fox's righteous indignation, the same document making the above accusations pushes blatant misinformation about both Fox and the Tea Party movement. Got that? The Turn Off Fox campaign wants FNC to tell the truth, and uses demonstrable falsehoods to bolster its case.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/08/26/group-founded-van-jones-claims-fnc-lies-proceeds-lie-about-fox-tea-p#ixzz0xlFpMFkd

Snowball:  I am surprised you have not melted with all the heat that is embodied in your posting.

Let us start with the pension that you so much hate and which in Ohio stated in 1919 (STRS) well before Social Security.  According to you all that should be erased.  Who looted the public pension systems?  Oh yes, Enron, and the other corrupt businesses that went bankrupt  and oh yes those who sold packages of worthless mortgages.  And oh yes those who rated those packages and oh yes those in government who deregulated the financial system and of course it all ends with Bush  :-D

The retirement salary is computed on the basis of the average of the last three years not on the final year so padding requires a long time.  "Ban all public service unions"  so public service employees should be deprived of their first amendment  right to freedom of association.  Well, of course you believe in the Constitution just as many (I can't say all) Tea Partiers believe in it, when it is convenient and agrees with your/their predetermined ideas.  As far as judges and laws that is what makes the due process embedded in the Constitution. I realize that that is also an inconvenience you would like to do without.

The Shadow despairs 

Snowball:  I am surprised you have not melted with all the heat that is embodied in your posting.

Interesting. -- So, Progressives are not alone in being volitile?

Who looted the public pension systems?

Dead on!

But, at the same time, I more than a little sympathetic towards Snowball's egalitarianism. It is her reliance on that principle that makes me think her position is not unreasonable.

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Remember kids...it is the sweet old grandmas carrying American flags that are the ugly violent ones....not the lunatic left.  You can go back to your bubble of misinformation now...

The Discovery Attacker: A True Green Believer

By Richard Morrison

News Wednesday afternoon that an armed gunman had entered the cable TV headquarters of Discovery Communications in Silver Spring, Maryland and begun taking hostages alarmed people throughout the Washington, D.C. area and around the country. As law enforcement officials negotiated with the suspect, posts on social media outlets inevitably began arguing over the ideological motivations of the hostage-taker, James J. Lee. Conservatives were quick to point out the suspect's radical environmentalist manifesto, while left-leaning sources disclaimed any connection. News a few hours later that the suspect had been shot and killed by police spawned a round of smug black humor, concluding that he had been successful is accomplishing one of his chief demands, a smaller world population.

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/02/the-discovery-attacker-a-true

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Since the left can't get voters to support their anti-constitutional ideas, they have to resort to lying, cheating, stealing, distortion, or getting some lunatic judge to rule by fiat. 

It is nice to see that laws can still be used for some actual justice.



Tea party activists relieved by ruling
They were worried similar name could cause confusion

BY DAWSON BELL

The short, controversial life of the Michigan Tea Party  came to an apparent end Friday in the Michigan Supreme Court.

And for the most part, Michigan's tea party activists couldn't be happier.

That's because they suspected from the beginning that the effort to create a formal political party using the Tea Party name was an attempt by some Democrats to confuse voters and siphon the votes of conservatives away from Republicans.


Read more: Tea party activists relieved by ruling | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/9040378#ixzz0yTCTOIQK

[Township officials informed the residents that speech at the Constitution Day rally could be of a "political nature," and thus inappropriate for the public square.]

Township Blocks Rally to Commemorate Constitution Day; Event Deemed Too Political

1851 Center Files Federal Court Action to Defend First Amendment Rights

COLUMBUS - The 1851 Center for Constitutional Law today filed a complaint and temporary restraining order against Andover Township (Ashtabula County) in U.S. District Court in Cleveland. The complaint charges that township trustees' actions blocking a Constitution Day (Sept. 17) rally on Andover Public Square, by local residents, violated the First Amendment. The 1851 Center, a non-partisan public interest law firm, is representing residents Margaret L. Slingluff, Emily Kobialko and Scott Bankson, organizers of the "Andover Tea Party," in the action.

Township officials informed the residents that speech at the Constitution Day rally could be of a "political nature," and thus inappropriate for the public square.

The decision to deny access to the park was made in accordance with a township resolution allowing officials to determine public space usage "on a case by case basis," and to ban speech that they deem too "political." However, the park in question is a common gathering point for public events that often have far more political overtones. Officials made no inquiry as to the size of the rally, or other pertinent logistical concerns.

"The First Amendment clearly protects the right to gather on the public square, speak out in support of limited constitutional government, and critique the current state of affairs," said 1851 Center Executive Director Maurice Thompson. "The government's action in this case, ironically, demonstrates the need for greater public understanding of Constitutional rights. One way to do that is through commemoration of Constitution Day." 

"The townships' self-aggrandizing authority to pick and choose who may speak, based upon whether they approve of the speaker's message, is entirely unconstitutional," added Thompson.   

A copy of the complaint and temporary restraining order are available here and here.

The 1851 Center for Constitutional Law is non-profit, non-partisan legal center dedicated to protecting the constitutional rights of Ohioans from government abuse. The 1851 Center litigates constitutional issues related to property rights, voting rights, regulation, taxation, and search and seizures. More information about the 1851 Center is available at http://www.ohioconstitution.org.

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Remember dupes, only the Tea Party is violent...

Democrat Alderwoman hits poll worker with car
Thomas Lifson

As the nation turns against them, more and more Democrats are going nuts, behaving in bizarre, and sometimes violent ways. Milwaukee television station WTMJ reports:

    Milwaukee Alderwoman Milele Coggs hit a poll worker with her car Tuesday after what is described as a heated argument over results.

    "She was out of line, she was very demanding," said Jennifer Hunt-Evans, a poll worker who watched the Alderwoman get into an argument with the Chief Inspector at the polling place where she was working.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/democrat_alderwoman_hits_poll.html

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Had she been black and carried a night-stick...she would have been A-OK...


Flagstaff grandmother's 'tea party' shirt spurs lawsuit

The Arizona Republic

Diane Wickberg didn't intend to become a public defender of the First Amendment. But now that she's found herself in that position, she's not backing down from the fight.

The 55-year-old Flagstaff grandmother, with the help of the Goldwater Institute, is suing Coconino County Recorder Candace Owens after Wickberg was twice stopped at the polls for wearing a "tea party" T-shirt.

Every Tuesday for the past two years, Wickberg has attended a meeting of her Flagstaff tea-party group wearing a T-shirt that depicts the American flag and the Constitution. On May 18, the day of the state sales-tax vote, Wickberg said she threw on that T-shirt and a pair of jeans, drove her 11-year-old grandson to school and headed to her polling place.

"I'm a jeans and T-shirt person," said Wickberg, who works as a fundraiser for her grandson's school. "I didn't think about what I was wearing."

She was told by a poll worker that she needed to either change her shirt or cover it up.


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/09/25/20100925flagstaff-grandmother-tea-party-shirt-lawsuit.html#ixzz10XZeaLFY

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Remember kids; it is the grandma's wearing flag shirts that are the underground, violent extremists...

Tea Party Kids' Coloring Book Prompts Threats for Publisher

(NewsCore) - The publisher behind a coloring book for children that espouses the beliefs of the Tea Party says he has received death threats over its publication, CBS reported Tuesday.

St. Louis-based Really Big Coloring Books Inc.'s Wayne Bell said the book -- which he wrote himself -- is not political.

Thousands of copies of the book have already been sold and demand is so high that new books are printed each day, but Bell said the Tea Party is not behind the book and will not benefit from any sales.

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpps/news/tea-party-kids-coloring-book-prompts-threats-for-publisher-dpgonc-20100929-fc_9851233

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

First, read this article;

Why Liberals Don't Get the Tea Party Movement
Our universities haven't taught much political history for decades. No wonder so many progressives have disdain for the principles that animated the Federalist debates.

By PETER BERKOWITZ

Highly educated people say the darndest things, these days particularly about the tea party movement. Vast numbers of other highly educated people read and hear these dubious pronouncements, smile knowingly, and nod their heads in agreement. University educations and advanced degrees notwithstanding, they lack a basic understanding of the contours of American constitutional government.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704631504575531913602803980.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion


And then read this by one of OSU's finest:

How does racial equity come into play in Tea Party politics?

john a. powell, professor, Moritz College of Law and executive director, Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity

A: ”Tea Party supporters are more likely to be White (80 percent), middle-aged, with higher than average education and income levels. As our nation becomes increasingly multicultural, and as minorities begin to assume positions of power, Whites can experience anxiety over a potential decline in their historically privileged social and economic position. These fears and attitudes can drive political opinion.”

http://elections.osu.edu/ask-the-experts/how-does-racial-equity-come-into-play-in-tea-party-politics/

Maybe he got his J.D. free with a tank of gas....

[We could say [Democrats] spend money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors. It would be unfair, because the sailors are spending their own money. --Ronald ReaganAl Gore didn't invent the internet, he invented global warmingThe welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants - CamusThe person who advocates government planning of the economy always assumes that it is his plan that will be put into effect. --Hayek]

Oops! 'Rightwing' Terror Suspect Turns Out to Be a...Leftwinger

By P.J. Gladnick

It seems that whenever you hear about a "rightwing" hate crime nowadays, it turns out the the perpetrator turns out to be a leftwinger...much to the disappointment of liberals who continue to maintain the fiction about a violent Tea Party movement. And the latest case of a violent "rightwinger" who turns out to really be a leftwinger comes from my own county of Broward here in South Florida. With my condolences to the left who have been "robbed" of yet another example of supposed Tea Party "hate crime," here is a report on the arrest of the suspect by Bob Norman of the Broward Palm Beach New Times:

The woman charged by the FBI with making a threat that led to the lockdown of more than 300 Broward County schools after hearing the words of right-wing talker Joyce Kaufman isn't a member of the Tea Party -- she's a member of the Green Party.


Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2010/11/24/oops-rightwing-terror-suspect-turns-out-be-aleftwinger#ixzz16ILHFxcX