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I caught this on Larry King last night featuring Sinead O'Connor and William Donahue

Towleroad

On the topic of crimes of homosexual priests, Donahue corrects the discussion as this is not pedophilia, but homosexuality as this was post-pubescent.

NOTICE how:
1) Sins were committed, but
2) Other panelists and comments on the linked site do not recognize homosexuality as wrong, so they MUST argue that this was pedophilia or some other problem and argue as if homosexuality has nothing to do with the subject.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8QwuWSEgZvQ&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8QwuWSEgZvQ&rel=0</a>

Other panelists and comments on the linked site do not recognize homosexuality as wrong, so they MUST argue that this was pedophilia or some other problem and argue as if homosexuality has nothing to do with the subject.


Doesn't that make complete sense?
Heterosexuality is not, per se, wrong.
So if priests or monks were engaged in heterosexual acts with minors -- it's not the sexual act, per se, that is wrong it is the fact of sex with a minor or non-consensual sex, i.e., rape.

I hope I see the day that we have women priests, bishops, and cardinals. Until that happens I'll view the Catholic Church the way I view conservative Muslims.

What interest do you have in women priests?  Is that what is holding you back from conversion?  Either way, I wouldn't hold your breath.

What interest do you have in women priests? 

What interest does anyone have in seeing all people treated as equals?
What interest does anyone have in spreading enlightened ideas throughout the world?

Women are abused and denied equal rights throughout the world -- why should I have to explain what interest I have in opposing this abuse.

I'm not holding my breath.

Is that what is holding you back from conversion? 

What does conversion mean? Merely a change in belief?  No, this has nothing -- absolutely nothing  to do with my beliefs.

So you're saying that Jesus was abusive, discriminative and unenlightened?

Happy Easter!

No, No, unenlightened? Probably, didn't know anything about mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology, medicine ... etc., Bingo -- so of course the answer is YES.

I'm not anti-Catholic. The Roman Catholic Church is better than most protestant denominations and as good as any other.
Like any human institution is far from perfect and always needs to reform.
Individuals priests, bishops, and lay membership -- as individuals are as good as human beings get.
Its educational facilities are second to none.

If I thought that Christian theology was probably true, I'd be as likely to become a Catholic as a member of any other church except for two things:

1) the ridged top-down hierarchical structure and 2) the exclusion of women from the priesthood.

Doesn't the catholic church have a place for female ministers/missionaries called the convent...? they are the female counterparts of priests but follow the hierarchy established by the Bible of Men being the "head of the house".

so IS do you wish for "men" to be able to join a convent? ....WHY?

also.... many of the acts of these "priests" were homosexual acts against boys under age...hence = homosexual pedophilia.... a double no- no according to the church. I am disgusted that mosts of these men aren't in jail somewhere,  but instead had their freedom bought by the vatican.

Just glad I never got caught up in the catholic church and doctrine.

AW,

Your analogy doesn't quite fit, but as with many roles in nature, in certain areas (as in the house) each gender has a role that is equally dignifying and respected.  I wouldn't refer to nuns as being the counterparts of priests, but they aren't of a lower order either.  For the very same reason (in most cases) married men can't become priests, but if they wish to be part of the clergy they can serve as deacons or in numerous laity roles.  As you state, having men in the convent is as absurd as a man wishing to become pregnant or breast feed.  Unfortunately, you have a number of women in the clergy who have lost sight of their unique role and this urge to become something they were not meant to be is encouraged by many outside the church who apply a secular understanding that has nothing to do with the situation.

As for the abuse:
1. This was not pedophilia, but homosexual sexual assault (pedophilia implies pre-pubescent)
2. Yes, they should be in jail and many are
3. There remains no evidence that the Vatican covered this up.  On the contrary, they are taking a strong stance on this and that is being ignored.  If there was any cover-up it was at the Diocesan level as with Cardinal Law in Boston, equally guilty.

Now tell me this:
1. Why does this chart climax in 1980 and fall sharply after the election of Pope John Paul II?  Is this coincidental or was the church taking action?


2. Why is the media all over the Catholic church when the rates are no higher than incidents with teachers or any other religious group.  The New York Times would never come out against the Jewish community.  This is where the hypocrisy lies.

Vatican Says Sex-Abuse Higher In Other Religions

[“[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?” she said. “The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”]

Hypocrisy...or just an agenda

Has Media Ignored Sex Abuse In School?

John Karr isn’t a priest. He’s a teacher.

Most teachers are dedicated, hard-working people who wouldn’t dream of hurting a child. The same is true of priests.

If the suspect in the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey were a priest, there would be a fresh outcry about a decades-long cover-up in the Catholic Church. Commentators from Left and Right would rightly unite in decrying the crisis and the entrenched complacency that led to it. Catholic pundits would take a special relish in pointing out that they agree: The Church had better get its act together.

Any institution that has allowed children to be harmed by predators deserves to be taken to task for it. No institution should get a pass. And no profession should get a pass. Not preachers, not priests — not even teachers.

Especially not teachers. And yet …

Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

“[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?” she said. “The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

So, in order to better protect children, did media outlets start hounding the worse menace of the school systems, with headlines about a “Nationwide Teacher Molestation Cover-up” and by asking “Are Ed Schools Producing Pedophiles?”

No, they didn’t. That treatment was reserved for the Catholic Church, while the greater problem in the schools was ignored altogether.

As the National Catholic Register’s reporter Wayne Laugesen points out, the federal report said 422,000 California public-school students would be victims before graduation — a number that dwarfs the state’s entire Catholic-school enrollment of 143,000.

Yet, during the first half of 2002, the 61 largest newspapers in California ran nearly 2,000 stories about sexual abuse in Catholic institutions, mostly concerning past allegations. During the same period, those newspapers ran four stories about the federal government’s discovery of the much larger — and ongoing — abuse scandal in public schools.